TRANSCRIPT Oh No, Ross and Carrie!: Carrie Meets Kimberly Meredith: Single-Blind Edition

Carrie speaks with Kimberly Meredith, a self-taught medical intuitive and trance channeler, and asks about her claims of scientific confirmation, double-blinded testing, and nursing credentials. This and more in a challenging and often tense interview.

Podcast: Oh No, Ross and Carrie!

Episode number: 238

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carrie poppy

Hello! Welcome to Oh No, Ross and Carrie, the show where we don’t just report on fringe science, spirituality, and claims of the paranormal, but take part ourselves. When they make the claims, we show up so you don’t have to. I’m Ross Blocher. I’m just kidding. This is Carrie Poppy. Ross is not with me today. So, we are both practicing social distancing as responsible members of society. This episode’s just gonna be me and our guest. And Ross is off rush-editing the episode you got last week. The—the huge coronavirus, massive episode that we hope you all enjoyed. While he was off making that, I was off making this, because we knew this was a really important time to talk about, uh, cures. Real cures, fake cures, real treatments, faux treatments. And there’s a lot of treatments out there. Even for coronavirus, there are people who say that they can treat coronavirus in ways that buck against our understanding of the science. So I wanted to better understand, uh, those perspectives, and that lead me to a medical intuitive named Kimberly Meredith. Now, Kimberly was at the Conscious Life Expo when Ross and I were there. Uh, we didn’t get to talk to her then, but I did stop by her booth and ended up on her mailing list, which is how I found out that she had written an e-book about coronavirus. I bought that e-book and sort of went on a little adventure finding out a little more about Kimberly and about her claims and invited her on the show to chat. Um, so that’s what you’re gonna hear here.

carrie

Before you do, I just want to, um, kind of give you a little peak into my headspace as I was doing this interview and preparing for this interview. Something that I’ve been thinking about a lot, uh, especially during this outbreak, but also just in the last couple of years, is, uh, storytelling and how it works. Uh, it’s easiest to tell a story when there is a clear villain and a clear victim. Those are our favorite kinds of stories. They are the easiest to sink our teeth into. All you have to do is get rid of the bad guy. I think, in an outbreak, especially a—a viral outbreak, we realize how oversimplified that kind of story is. Um, there are people behaving badly when, uh, there’s a viral outbreak. But there isn’t one bad guy, unless you believe it was created in a lab somewhere—[chuckles]—which it wasn’t. Um, the virus, of course, has no intention of hurting you. It just evolved, like you did. And yet it can do this tremendous harm. And I think that there are impulses in the human mind that are the same way. That evolved for neutral ends, but end up being super, super harmful. Um, I think that’s what we’re dealing with, a bit, in bad treatments for coronavirus, bad treatments for anything. Uh, it also is the case that sometimes we have good motives but bad information. And good motives and bad information can still be a deadly combination. And I think that’s what’s happening here. I think Kimberly is sincere. I think she’s deadly wrong. You’ll see why. Dan Ariely, who is a psychological expert in lying and deception, he wrote a great book called The Honest Truth About Dishonesty, and one of the big things I learned from it was that dishonesty increases the most when we think we are being altruistic. Yes, people lie for personal gain. That’s absolutely true. People lie for monetary gain—also true. People lie to win arguments—also true. The biggest, most powerful factor to make someone lie is that they believe they’re doing it for a greater purpose. I just wanted to put that bug in your ear before you hear this conversation. Uh, I also want to apologize for the audio in this. We were talking via Skype, because that’s the safest way to talk right now. Here she is, Kimberly Meredith.

carrie

I’m happy to have on the show with me Kimberly Meredith. She describes herself as a medical intuitive, a healer, psychic surgeon, radio host, former registered nurse, and author of the new e-book, Coronavirus: 21 Tips for Protection. Kimberly is a trance channeller. She’s a spiritual teacher. And she says she's the most scientifically-validated medical intuitive. And this interview is especially timely and important, because right now, as we're recording this, the world is looking for a solution to this deadly Covid-19 coronavirus outbreak. And, because Kimberly offers diagnosis and healing of the viral infection and any other illness via her 1-hour Skype sessions. So please welcome Kimberly Meredith.

kimberly meredith

Thank you, Carrie. Thanks for having me.

carrie

My pleasure! Um, did I get all of that right?

kimberly

Uh, pretty much. I think so. Um, I have been tested in a lot of different institutions with my medical mediumship, and it's been interesting, doing all that [chuckles].

carrie

[Chuckling] Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's really, really rare, right? That, um, that a medical intuitive gets that sort of, uh, backing from the scientific establishment.

kimberly

Yeah, um, I—I guess so [chuckles].

carrie

[Laughs] Well, I mean, you—you say you’re the most scientifically validated, so, um, it’s my perception that it’s pretty rare. Is that not yours?

kimberly

Well [beat] I—I can only go with what has happened to me, because I wasn’t doing this for very long. I started doing my medical—finding out that I was a medical medium just only since 2014.

carrie

Hmm, okay.

kimberly

[Laughing quietly] I [inaudible] medical medium before that.

carrie

Sure.

kimberly

And so, I—I—now I’m a medical medium. [Carrie chuckles.] And, uh, it happened because I had a near-death experience. And after the NDE, um, I became a trance channel. And after I started becoming a trance channel, I found out that I was, um, having the gifts of medical mediumship. Which is, I have an unusual ability of scanning people with my hands and my eyes blink in different codes. And the code blinking, um, gives me information of where things are in people’s bodies that have cancer, different illnesses. And when that started to happen, the word got out to many people, including scientists and different doctors, which lead me to different institutions that wanted to test my abilities. And that lead to double-blind studies. And then they found out that I had these unique abilities of finding things that were correct and accurate in people’s bodies.

carrie

Mm. So, tell us, then, about before the accident—before the near-death experience—what was your life like then?

kimberly

[Laughing] A lot different than it is now! [Carrie chuckles.] I had a—a unique life. You know, I work in dimensions now, 3-D to 5-D. So I would say back then, I was more of a third-dimensional world, which is what we’re seeing right now, which is very 3-D. I worked in a hospital. And I worked on television shows. Uh, I worked on Grey’s Anatomy. I worked on General Hospital. I worked on Brothers & Sisters. I was called a medical technical advisor.

carrie

Mm.

kimberly

And I would set up shows that looked like actual, medical scenes were happening where people were having a cardiac arrest. I would work with directors—

carrie

Um—

kimberly

—to make things look as real as possible. And I also worked in a hospital, so I would do double—double life like that.

carrie

Oh, interesting. Yeah, so you have this nursing background. And then you moved from that more—uh, gosh, I don’t even know what to call it—that more clinical field to this more spiritual angle. Before that transition, you were working as an RN? A registered nurse?

kimberly

I was working in—working in a hospital. And working in various things. I came from, you know, God, all kinds of medical things I did. I was a CNA, LVN, and various types of nursing in oncology, general floors, and all over the place. And then I went into doing medical technical advising on television shows. And then I got hit by a car on set in 2013 and ended up having a near-death experience. And then, in the near-death experience, it lead me into having these multiple healing abilities now that I have a full-blown practice in Encino, California. I do conventions and expos and—and—and, uh, healing on people now and helping them find out what’s going on with them.

carrie

So, what happened during that near-death experience?

kimberly

I went to the other side and came back. And it was quite amazing [laughs quietly].

carrie

Yeah. What’s it like?

kimberly

Um, well— [Carrie chuckles.] —I saw visions of, uh, Jesus and the Holy Spirit come through my body.

carrie

Oh, wow.

kimberly

[Carrie makes a few interested sounds as Kimberly speaks.] I left my body and I was envisioned, um, in seeing God, Christ come—come through me and telling me that I was ok, I was going to stay here. And it was very frightening, was seeing myself outside of my body and seeing them working on me at the same time. I wasn’t quite sure what—what’s happening, so it’s like outside your body and looking inside at the same time. And I was experiencing a lot of light going through my eyes. It was very traumatic, traumatic experience.

carrie

Oh, I’m sure. If—if I understand correctly, you broke several vertebrae. You came home with a wheelchair and a concussion. And were you in a wheelchair for a whole year?

kimberly

Actually, longer than that.

carrie

Oh, wow.

kimberly

[Carrie makes a couple of affirming sounds as Kimberly speaks.] I actually rehabilitated at home for six—six months in a wheelchair. When I came home from the hospital, I knew I wasn’t who I was when I went in. I was transitioning into something else. From there, I started blinking. And I had been blinking when I was a little girl, but it had left, because it annoyed my mother [laughs briefly]. [Carrie chuckles.] But the blinking had appeared after I came home from the hospital. I didn’t know at the time that I was a channel when the blinking started, when I came home from the hospital. But I was pretty much done with the life that I had had before, because I was very severely injured. The wheelchair still is in my home. I live my life everyday—right now, even—understanding that if I don’t completely understand that the spirituality of understanding that I live my life, day-to-day, in prayer and in gratefulness of being healed by the Holy Spirit, by God—that I could end up right back in that chair.

carrie

Oh, I see. Do—do you feel like it was that belief, that faith that got you out of that wheelchair?

kimberly

Absolutely. Because when I came home, I was on lots of different medication. I was told that—I couldn’t hold my head up for more that four to five minutes—

carrie

Oh, wow. Yeah.

kimberly

--without the collar on. And I was working with, uh, laser machines, cold laser machines. I was working with my girlfriend who was an actress and also a nurse. And she was praying, doing Reiki energy on me. And we were in deep prayer everyday. And I was trying to figure out what I was going to do with my life. Because, at that point, I was not in a place to really support myself. [Carrie makes a couple understanding noises.] My fiancé at the time was, um, moving out.

carrie

Oh, okay. What a tough time.

kimberly

Yeah. [Giggles] Yeah. So, basically, at that point, I was doing a lot of prayer to Spirit, and, uh, the blinking happened, and then all of the sudden I became—my voices started to change. I was starting to be different. I was turning into full-blown trance channel. I don’t know if you know about, um, Abraham-Hicks—

carrie

Mm-hmm! Yeah.

kimberly

—or other channellers. They sometimes have this happen. Well, I had never heard of any of those people before. [Carrie laughs briefly.] I didn’t about anything about mediums or channels or—I wasn’t really in this type of stuff. I was really in more of the nursing and the—and the acting and the—and the entertainment world and stuff like that. I loved God. I loved [stutters] the things, and I was raised Jewish and in the Catholic community, stuff like that. But I didn’t know about this stuff. And so, I was really in for a big surprise.

carrie

Yeah, no kidding. Okay, so, um, my understanding of channeling is that usually the individual on this earthly plane kind of goes into a fugue state and starts speaking in the voice of—of—of a spirit. So, is that what happened with you?

kimberly

It did. And right now, if you were to see me, I am blinking different blinks. Like, when you talk, one blink will go, “Yes,” the other blink goes, “no,” both blinks will go “yes.” So, I blink constantly in different codes. Blinking is going on all the time. And when it first started, my voice would change. I’d go into a deeper voice. I didn’t want to do that. So, I was like, “That’s not really how I want to be.”

carrie

[Curious] Hmm.

kimberly

More of the blinking started coming in, and more of the codes. And a friend of mine came over and I started working on him. I just kind of went to lay my hands on him to do a prayer and all of the sudden I did a healing on him spon—it was very spontaneous. And then I said, “Did you ever have a hernia thing here?” And he goes, “I did.” And that’s when the whole medical mediumship came through.

carrie

Ah, interesting. Okay. So, now you scan the—you can scan anybody’s whole body in, like, 3.5 minutes, right?

kimberly

Sometimes even faster, yeah.

carrie

Oh, wow.

kimberly

It—it didn’t—wasn’t like that in the beginning. It was a lot slower. I was like, “left eye, right eye, left eye, right eye—“ [Carrie chuckles.] You know, this is like that. And now it’s like, I can just go, “shh,” [makes a brief, soft shushing noise, like someone imitating a gentle breeze], like that. So, like—and I can do it through Skyping. I can do it through radio shows. I can just do it, like, you know, it—the more you do it, of course, is—it can—gets faster and better and you work at it. It’s like playing the piano or being an actor. You know, more you do something, it’s a nature—natural thing is to get better at it.

carrie

Yeah, of course. So, I read—I think it was in your e-book—that you’ve found that it’s about as accurate as, uh, an MRI or an x-ray. How did you test that?

kimberly

Well, I do it by people coming in and writing out on a sheet of paper exactly what is wrong with them.

carrie

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

kimberly

And I don’t look at anything. And they come in. And I actually find more things than the machines find. Which, I’m very annoying to people. I can be really, really annoying. And so I kind of just rip through the whole entire body. And I’ll say, “Oh, you have a cavity there. Oh, you’ve had this there. Oh, your aneurysm came from that little spot right there. You know, and I’ll just go through every single little thing in the body. And they’ll say, “Oh, my God. That’s exactly what my—what the machine said. That’s exactly what the CAT scan said.” That I can find breast cancer right on a Skype machine. Uh, you know, when I’m Skyping you, I’ll say, “Oh, there—something’s right there on your left breast.” And they’ll say, “I just had a mammogram and they didn’t pick that up.” I’ll say, “You gotta go back and get an ultrasound.” They’ll go back, get an ultrasound. I find first-stage breast cancer. And so, the—also I did the double-blind studies. And they've done it through the, um, thermography machines and ultrasound machines where they put people in. I scan them before they go in. I scan them after they come out. And then I’ve done healings before they go in and healings before they come out. But I do this—it’s not like I just do a couple clients per day. I do maybe 30 clients per week.

carrie

Wow.

kimberly

And I find things a lot of these machines do not find.

carrie

Yeah, okay. So, you mentioned radio shows. Does that mean that you can do it without even seeing the person?

kimberly

I do have a lot of call-ins on radio shows. I do that too sometimes, yeah.

carrie

Could you scan me right how?

kimberly

[Takes a deep breath in, then continues sounding unsure] Um, I would, if you wanted to. Uh, I wasn’t prepared to do that today. [Carrie laughs.] If you want. I thought we were talking about coronavirus, but [chuckles]

carrie

Ah—you know, I don’t want to put you on the spot if it’s something you have to prep for.

kimberly

I mean, I—I don’t know.

carrie

Maybe at the end?

kimberly

Whatever you want to do _[laughs uncomfortably]_.

carrie

[Chuckling] Okay. Alright. Um, so what are some of the challenges of doing this kind of work? Does it ever not work or do people ever come back and complain that you didn’t get anything right? Or is it is just like it’s been 100% successful?

kimberly

Um, I think it has to be—to do with their faith. I mean, there’s 100% successful with scanning people in my office or 100% successful with the healing?

carrie

Uh, oh, well, tell me both.

kimberly

I think with scanning somebody—um, you know, my medical intuitive mediumship—I think I’m pretty accurate with—with scanning people that come in the office or scanning people on Skype. I very rarely have missed something. [Carrie makes an affirming sound.] Um, I think that with healing somebody, my healing is pretty—pretty great with—with dissolving tumors [stutters] and glands and—and tu—you know, I have a lot of great success. But I think that it’s not me. It’s the divine doing it. You have to be all the way in with the fifth dimension, all the way in with your spirituality.

carrie

Oh. Okay. What does that mean?

kimberly

Uh, that means that you’re going into another dimension when you’re having a healing.

carrie

Uh. Okay. Okay. So, then, if you do a scan and someone, uh—or you do a healing, rather, and then somebody, uh, doesn’t experience healing or gets sick later, um, is that an indication then that they’ve maybe didn’t have that same level of faith?

kimberly

[Carrie makes a few understanding sounds as Kimberly speaks.] Um…no. Maybe they need to come back again or maybe they just weren’t all the way in with the energy of the spirit. Or maybe it’s not their time to be healed. Um, most people, when they have a tumor disappear in front of their eyes and they’ve gone—so we’re in a third-dimensional frequency. In order to have a healing through the Christ light, through the energy—I don’t know if you’re understanding what fifth dimension is, or third dimension. We’re living in a third-dimensional world right now.

carrie

Right.

kimberly

In a lower frequency. Um, when we move into a fifth-dimensional frequency—so, I—when I am healed, I am in a fifth-dimensional frequency. Where diseases and suffering is a third-dimensional frequency.

carrie

Right. So, my understanding is third—third dimension is sort of the corporeal world we’re all familiar with. Uh, fifth dimension is a sort of, um, spiritual advanced state. And then fourth is you’re kind of getting a glimpse of that, uh, spiritual state, but you’re not quite all the way there. Is that right?

kimberly

Right. When somebody can do something like me, where I have a paranormal ability—or like Jesus—there’s many people that can do things that are amazingly gifted. We all have the ability to do these things. We are wakening. We’re going into the ascension. Um, even though it looks really grim right now, with what’s happening to our world—they can’t figure out all these things—we can figure out these things. We can come up with a cure. We just have to open up our third eye, our intuition, the—the wakening, the dimensional—fifth-dimensional frequency, and we can be healed. People need to be guided into that. So what I’m saying is when I have people on my table or when I’m at a convention, people know how to get into that frequency. We just ha—it’s sort of the Harry Potter frequency. [Carrie laughs loudly.] We can get there. Like me, for instance. I shouldn’t be where I’m at right now. I shouldn’t be able to walk around, do all these things. On the paper, we’re—I should be in a wheelchair. But I go into that frequency and then I’m healed. So when people are willing to let me dive them in that frequency, then they’re healed. So they’re—like, I had a lady who had four stage breast cancer. And they told her she was gonna die. And I did a healing on her, and she told the doctors, “I am healed. I had a healing and I am healed. I take my—I got my nutritional plan. I take my—my—my probiotics. I do all this stuff. I’m healed.” And they’re like, “No, you’re not.” “Yes, I am. I am healed.” “No, you’re not.” “Yes, I am. I am healed.” So, basically, she healed herself through going into the Harry Potter world—going—I’m just calling it that. [Carrie laughs.] Bringing that dimension—and I know you understand what I'm saying. She willed it and it happened. We dissolved a lot of the nodes under her arm. She still had to have the surgery

carrie

Oh.

kimberly

But we did so much with her that wouldn’t have happened. I’m going to give you chills right now, because I just love and adore her so much. And she willed it and it was so much better than it—what it was—would have been.

carrie

Oh, I see. So she wasn’t completely, like—the cancer wasn’t completely abolished, but it was—it was sort of mitigated?

kimberly

Absolutely. And then I find—I find people that are completely diminished of the tumors.

carrie

Mm.

kimberly

Go on to my Youtube, you’ll see. Many women have tumors—and I have taken my breast tumors completely off of me. So, there’s nothing harmful of bringing in the spirit of God and praying.

carrie

Sure. Okay, well you mentioned coronavirus, so let’s, uh, let’s talk about that. I mean, everyone is so, so scared of that right now, and for good reason. Um, and I—I know that there’s sort of differing opinions in different spiritual communities about what this is, how it came to be. You do believe it’s a virus, a contagious, uh, pathogen, if you will, and that it came from animals, right?

kimberly

Well, I only believe what my eyes blink. And I only go with what my guides say. So if you ask me questions on it, I will tell you what they say [chuckles].

carrie

Oh, interesting.

kimberly

So, I actually go—I know, I’m a little odd. [Carrie chuckles briefly.] [Laughs] I only go with what they’re saying to you—to me to you. You know, so you can ask me a question, and I’ll relay the answer to you.

carrie

Okay, um, Kimberly’s guides— [Kimberly laughs.] —[chuckles briefly] corona—is the coronavirus—is it an actual virus that, uh, originated in animals and now has affected humans?

kimberly

I’m getting, you know, I’m getting three blinks times three. Which is, you know, actually confirming that. And I know a lot of people are saying, “Oh, it’s a 5G attack.” You know, it’s like all this other stuff going on. Definitely I—I do get that it is found in—in the small animals in—in—and I do feel that it—it’s many vi—as you know, it’s a coronavirus. Um, but it is many viruses now, and there’s many different kinds happening. And there’s some that are more mild and some more actually, definitely severe. And definitely going into—as we know—respiratory—deep respiratory and pneumonia.

carrie

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

kimberly

And some that we know that can be healed faster. And some we know that, um, are not affecting children. And we know that. And we know that it—it’s can be in you, right? It can be dormant. And we know that it can be up to several weeks before it even comes out. So go ahead and ask me some more questions.

carrie

[Laughs] Okay. Um, so then what do you think about the, uh, the fear level in the culture right now? Do you think that’s in proportion to the risk? Or do you think people are sort of overreacting? What do you think about that?

kimberly

They’re saying, “No.”

carrie

Uh, sorry, they’re saying, “No, people are not overreacting?”

kimberly

Okay, so ask the question again.

carrie

Okay. Are people overreacting to the coronavirus?

kimberly

I think there’s a situation going on where we do—because of the—you know, because I have a lot of friends in nursing and a lot of, you know, things—I think that there’s two things happening. I think that we need to calm down and get a lot of good knowledge. I think that the CDC, Center for Disease Control Prevention and the World Health Organization are good places to get knowledge. I think that’s really important that we get the right information.

carrie

[In agreement] Mm.

kimerly

And I think that there’s some information out there—and I’m getting chills—that we’re getting that’s causing it to get—get more fearful. So we need to make sure we get the—the right information, and not information that causes us to go into more panic.

carrie

[In agreement] Mm.

kimberly

I don't know if that answers your question correctly.

carrie

Uh, yeah, it does. I mean, that sounds to me like, uh, we—it’s okay to be afraid as long as you’re using that fear in order to be cautious and seek out good, reputable sources of information. And you would say, uh, like the World Health Organization or the CDC, those are, uh, entities we can trust?

kimberly

Absolutely. Those two, absolutely you—you can trust. And that understanding that I get from my guide that this is going to get better. And I do see it clearing and calming down towards the months—we had two—um, and I don’t want somebody coming back at me and going, “You said that!” Um, towards—towards the summer, this energy—I call it an energy—gets better [stutters] in the sun.

carrie

Yeah, so I saw that there was a study released yesterday that said they had updated their understanding of how long the virus could live on surfaces. That—

kimberly

Yeah.

carrie

—it might—it might, uh, stay as much as like 40 hours on some surfaces. Which is, you know, terrifying.

kimberly

It can stay on a surface like copper or wood or steel, uh, for up to, you know, I say it’s even longer than that. I—I—I mean, I think it’s even longer than that it can stay. And I think, you know, if you go outside, if you’re, you know, in the air, I think—in—in the air, you know, they say six feet away from somebody. I think, um, basically, um, it could stay on a surface up to—they’re saying how—how long?

carrie

I think the upper end was 40 hours.

kimberly

Oh, that was really long. ‘Cause I was thinking on a—on a surface it says—it could be like three hours.

carrie

Yeah, three hours was the old estimate. And then they updated it yesterday.

kimberly

Yeah, so—I—you know, in the air, if you’re away form someone, like if you’re at a park and you’re like clearly like really, like, a mile or two away, and you’re walking around, I don’t really feel—

carrie

Mm-hmm.

kimberly

—they’re giving you a negative blink, that you’d probably be okay. The thing that I do feel is that staying in closed areas where your upper respiratory is not getting any fresh—you know, you’re locked in, like, a small space—that is not good.

carrie

Sure. And that would match up with sort of the conventional scientific point of view, as well.

kimberly

Yeah.

carrie

So, um, you said on one of your Facebook videos—you said you can tell if someone has the virus or not, um, with your—with your blinking. So, have you talked to anybody via Skype who did, in fact, have coronavirus?

kimberly

That's a good question. [Laughs briefly] The scans I’ve done so far, how I do it is I wave my hand over their body. And I would blink immediately on their lungs. And I would get a negative blink around the lung area. And it would go off probably like fire. When I know someone has cancer, I get hot flashes.

carrie

Okay.

kimberly

And my eyes go [makes a rapid, rhythmic sounds, somewhat like imitating machine gun fire] like that, really fast. When I know someone has pneumonia and when I know someone has a respiratory infection, I get a really fast right eye blink and hot flashes again. So, I would assume—I haven’t got coronavirus yet.

carrie

Hmm.

kimberly

And I don’t want to get it [laughs]. But I would assume that that would be a big, you know, hit for me that somebody would have to go get the swipe test. And then we know now that if you does come out positive, I think they said that now you have to get two swipes to make sure that you’re clear.

carrie

Oh, okay. But you can also do, uh, a healing via Skype. So what’s the order of operations there, if you do have coronavirus?

kimberly

Absolutely. I would do a healing and then I would go ahead and put you on my supplemental program. I would attack it like I would attack cancer.

carrie

Okay.

kimberly

Because I feel people are more apt to getting this—of course, if they’re, you know, you don’t want to go out walking around in the crowds and stuff like that. But, like they say, diabetes, heart. But I also feel—they’re blinking, “No,”—I also feel if you have a low immune system.

carrie

Mm. If you have a low—a low immune system you would be more susceptible, you’re saying?

kimberly

Absolutely. And stressed out, a low immune system. Like, you really need to keep boosting your immune system right now. It’s very important. Not drinking—of course, we shouldn’t drink tap water anyway.  But, ba—making sure that we are keeping ourselves hydrated. You know, we have to make sure we’re getting probiotics that—I know it’s slim right now, getting things. But the inner-ēco probiotic is one of my favorite probiotics, and it is really an amazing probiotic.

carrie

Oh, nice. I think I heard you mention that before. It’s coconut flavored, right?

kimberly

[Laughing] Cute! You know all my things I like! Yeah. So the inner-ēco probiotic is a really amazing probiotic. It helps a lot of my severely immune-suppressed clients. Niki is the sponsor of it and she says it’s like a teaspoon or something of it. But I tell my clients to take, like, a shot of it to boost your immune system. [Carrie comments, phrase is inaudible.] And also vitamin D is very important since we’re stuck in right now—

carrie

Sure.

kimberly

—and a lot of people are vitamin D-suppressed. And most of my clients have come in—when I scan them, I will know within a few seconds if you’re vitamin D-suppressed. [Carrie makes a surprised and interested sound.] And how I know that is—right now, you can even take your hands and rub them together and go around your throat. And you feel your glands on the side, underneath your throat, and you feel, like, two nodules on both sides. And if they’re swollen, that is a sign that you’re immune suppressed. That is not to go in—into any kind of fear. That just means to take a deep breath. Inhale and exhale. [Makes an exaggerated exhaling sound.] And start your vitamin D. Vitamin D 3 and making sure you're drinking spring water.

carrie

[Thoughtful] Mmm.

kimberly

And if you don't have spring water. Like, sometimes people just think they can’t afford it—just making sure you have a filter on your sink.

carrie

Okay. So you can have the tap water; you just want to run it through a filter?

kimberly

No, because tap water is what [chuckles]?

carrie

Uh…bad?

kimberly

Yeah, uh, filled—uh, you know, we’ve got all kinds of fluoride in there— [Carrie makes a knowing sound.] —it’s got—yeah. We don’t wanna be doing that right now.

carrie

Okay. Gotcha. So I read your book, Coronavirus:, uh,  21 Tips, uh—oh, gosh, I forgot the last—what—say the whole name.

kimberly

21[chuckles] you’re—you’re—you’re making me forget it now. 2021 Top Tips for Protection.

carrie

That's it. Um, so I bought it the second that you sent that e-mail out saying that it was up on Amazon. And then later you said you're making it free. Did it get pulled off Amazon maybe?

kimberly

A lot of books for coronavirus got taken down.

carrie

Ohh.

kimberly

Mine made number one [laughs].

carrie

Oh, wow. Okay.

kimberly

[Still laughing] And then I decided I don’t want to put it back up.  We could put it back up if we want. But we don't want to put it back up. I want to keep it free. So, I put it on, uh, a publishing site called watersideproductions.com and you can just get it for free now, there.

carrie

Okay, cool. So, speaking of free services, have you thought about—since you do have this diagnostic gift, and since there aren’t very many kits to test for coronavirus, have you thought about just offering your services at, say, an urgent care or an ER?

kimberly

I’ve actually made my Skypes lower. So we made the Skypes, uh, much lower right now. We opened it up for Tuesdays. Thanks for asking that. Tuesdays and, um, Fridays and Saturdays. I open Saturdays, too.

carrie

Yeah, but have you thought about going to, like, hospitals and stuff where they need to diagnose and they don't have enough diagnostic kits?

kimberly

Oh, okay. No, I haven’t decided to do that. No.

carrie

Uh, why not?

kimberly

I think I'm better doing the Skypes right now, because so many people around the world can’t fly. And I have a radio show, too, on Tuesdays. And I have an office on Mondays and Wednesdays at my own clinic in Encino. I’m totally full right now with helping people come in there.

carrie

Mmm. Mm-hmm. So you, uh, you can't heal a bunch of people at once, right? It has to jut be one individual at a time?

kimberly

I do have what’s called the Angel Club on my website, called thehealingtriolgy.com is my website. And it’s called the Angel Club. And when I do that, we do have a group grid of healing. That’s a very good question to ask me. And when we do that, we do have spontaneous healings throughout the group.

carrie

[Interested] Mm! So, then, let’s talk about, then, the, uh, the scientific studies you mentioned. So, you’ve said a few times you’re the most scientifically-validated medical intuitive. You’ve done multiple double-blind studies. So, tell us about some of those. Like, what’s—what do you think is the most impressive example?

kimberly

Um, well I’m not allowed to speak about the one at Noetic IONS Institute right now, because that’s coming out in my book.

carrie

Oh, okay.

kimberly

Um, I guess—there’s been so many of them. Um, I guess maybe the cancer studies…just, diagnosing over and over again. Sixteen tumors, knowing where every single one was in the body. And then they find them and then I come back out and they say, “You were accurate [giggles].[Inaduible] they all are. Going back and forth, back and forth, and just multiple, you know—they put them in the scan. They know that there’s a knee that’s been torn. Then they bring the person back out. I scan the body. I know where, um, the knee has been torn and then I do a healing on the knee. And then they put them back in the thermography. And then they see that the knee has significant, um, healing to the knee.

carrie

Hmm.

kimberly

And then days later, they’ll also see that she’s walking a lot better.

carrie

Okay.

kimberly

Sort of like that type of study goes back and forth. And then also with the healing on the tumors, they see significant shrinkage going on, too, with the healing. So there’s also a study of me finding stuff in people with the machines and then going back and forth.

carrie

Okay, and these are all double-blinded?

kimberly

Right.

carrie

And can you—can you explain for anybody who’s listening and doesn’t know what double-blinding is?

kimberly

Um, well, it’s just back and forth. And then you go back again a series of weeks and months later and do—see how the person is months and months later again. And they do another study on it.

carrie

That’s what double-blinding is?

kimberly

Mm-hmm.

carrie

So, my understanding of double-blinding is that the person receiving the treatment and the person giving it is blind to what is being studied. Is that not right?

kimberly

Um, that is not right.

carrie

[Surprised] Oh. Okay. So it’s just—it’s just, uh, testing it, uh, over and over? That’s what makes it double-blind?

kimberly

Yeah, but also it’s—it’s—it’s happening many months and months and months apart.

carrie

Mm-hmm.

kimberly

And it's a study between many other healers, also.

carrie

Okay.

kimberly

So, it’s not just me. It’s many people being studied, too.

carrie

Gotcha.

kimberly

[Laughing] That’s the part that’s blinded. Yeah, with a study.

carrie

Okay. And, so, let’s see. You mentioned the Noetic Sciences. You can’t talk too much about that.

kimberly

That's when—it’s because they are, uh, revealing that I was one of the most exceptional healers in the double-blind study.

carrie

Oh, okay. Well, congrats.

kimberly

[Chuckles briefly] Thank you, honey.

carrie

So, one of your double-blinded studies was with Dr. Norman Shealy?

kimberly

No, he was not a double-blind study.

carrie

Oh, okay. Uh—

kimberly

Yeah. He was just a study on me [giggles]. And then the PSY-TEK was a double-blind study.

carrie

Uh, I did reach out to PSY-TEK and ask them to, uh, to confirm that. And they said they didn’t have, uh, any—any record of you, like, sort of passing a double-blind study. Do you know why that might have been?

kimberly

No, because that was, um, my records. And I have all the records from there it was a double-blind study.

carrie

Hmm. Okay, well, maybe you can send it to me and we can clear that up.

kimberly

[Beat, then quietly] I don’t know. Yeah, that’s…from them. Yeah.

carrie

Hmm, yeah. I—I mean, if you can send it over, I’m sure, you know, if it—if it happened, maybe they just couldn’t find it in the records. I just wanna show our listeners that—

kimberly

I—If you’re gonna put this on air, I’m not gonna have it on air if you’re gonna try to, like, do something rude to the show or something. Because I have my documents.

carrie

Oh, right! No, I just want to share your documents, then. Sorry, I don't understand what’s… You don’t wanna—you don’t wanna what?

kimberly

Yeah, I’m not gonna have this be released on air if you’re gonna be saying something rude about me.

carrie

Uh, I’m s—did I say something rude about you? I’m—I’m not—

kimberly

Yeah. Because I did a double-blind study, and I have it in all my records.

carrie

Right. I—okay, great. [Chuckles] I don’t—uh, and what’s the problem? [Long beat.] Uh, Kimberly?

kimberly

Yeah, I don’t—I don’t know what you were trying to get at by calling them and saying that.

carrie

Oh, well, you know, that’s what I do for every, you know, science claim made on the show. That’s what a good journalist does, right? I—I verify it.

kimberly

Yeah. [Chuckling uncomfortably] I can give you my record.

carrie

Great! Okay, perfect. Perfect. That’s—that’s wonderful.

kimberly

Yeah, I don’t understand.

carrie

Um, well, you know. I mean, you can ask [chuckles briefly] any—any host, any journalist. This is just sort of part of the process—

kimberly

I don’t know who you called over there. Maybe you called the secretary or something.

carrie

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, yeah. If you just wanna send that over, that would be great.

kimberly

I—I agree to come onto your show because I’m a very concerned person about coronavirus. And I am a 100% medical medium.

carrie

Mm-hmm.

kimberly

I was double-blind studied there. I was on the front cover of their magazine, because of that. I didn't look into your show that much before I came on, and I didn’t expect to be, you know, treated rudely on your show.

carrie

Uh, well, I certainly don’t want to treat you rudely. Um—

kimberly

You're acting like that and I didn’t know your show was about calling around, being a detective. And also, you can look at every single file I have of the double-blind test.

carrie

Great. That’s—that’s wonderful. That’s exactly what I want.

kimberly

I'm gonna end the interview right now, because I don’t like the way you’re being towards me. You’re being not—I don’t—I don’t think it was very kind.

carrie

Oh, I’m—I’m really sorry, Kimberly. I—I certainly didn’t mean to offend you. I—

kimberly

People are dying right now.

carrie

I agree.

kimberly

People are not—are—are feeling sick and don’t feel good—

carrie

Yeah, exactly.

kimberly

[Inaudible] very unhonorable of you and unkind to do.

carrie

Can I ask you this? Why can’t I find a nursing license for either a Kimberly Meredith or a Kimberly Anne Lemont, which is your legal name?

kimberly

I don't know.

carrie

Hmm. [Kimberly giggles.] Okay.

kimberly

I don't know.

carrie

You don’t know.

kimberly

[Laughs quietly] I worked for many years

carrie

Hmm. Um, yeah, that’s really uncommon, right? I mean, usually the nursing board is pretty up on those things?

kimberly

Yeah, well I'm there.

carrie

Hm. Well, maybe you can send that, too.

kimberly

Yeah.

carrie

Okay, great.

kimberly

So, I’m not agreeing for you to put this out.

carrie

As you probably know, that’s not how that works. But I’m hearing you. I hear that you don’t like how this interview went. Um—

kimberly

No. It’s very unkind. And I—I’ve worked in the hospital for years, and I don’t think this is okay to put this out. It was very not nice.

carrie

Well, if someone asked me, uh, “Carrie, I don’t believe that you went to USC School of Journalism,” all I would do is I would show them my diploma. That wouldn’t upset me. Why does this upset you?

kimberly

It's not upsetting me.

carrie

Okay.

kimberly

You're asking me I didn’t do a double-blind—that’s upsetting me. Not the other thing. ‘Cause I—I’ve worked in a hospital for years.

carrie

Well, I—I believe that you worked in a hospital. I asked you if you were a nurse.

kimberly

But I—I just don’t think this is a nice interview. That’s all. I don’t like this interview. And I’m gonna call my agent right now and tell him to put—to not put it out.

carrie

Okay. I mean, you can certainly ask him to do that. But, uh, if I’m being honest with you, I think that there’s a possibility here that you had a near-death experience where you had a traumatic brain injury, and one of the common things that happens after that is that people have facial tics, they have what’s called ocular disregulation, where their—their eye blinking is, you know, out of sync. And, um, maybe you interpreted that as a spiritual event and now you’re telling people that you’re healing them of a really serious, dangerous virus, when you’re actually stealing their time.

kimberly

I haven't healed anybody of a dangerous virus.

carrie

But you're offering to. You said—[chuckles briefly] you’ve said in many places that you can heal coronavirus. [Long beat.] Kimberly?

kimberly

No, I didn’t.

carrie

Oh, you did. Would you like me to pull them up?

kimberly

What are you talking about?

carrie

Where you've said that you could heal coronavirus?

kimberly

You mean in the book?

carrie

Um, let's see. We have it, uh, a few places. Um, “I can tell you if you have the virus or not through my blinking.” Uh, so, when we pray and you do the blinking, uh, “The power of the Holy Spirit is so undeniably amazing, we can cure anything. We have cured cancer. We can cure the coronavirus.” That was on your radio show.

kimberly

So, what do you w—where do you want to go from here, Carrie? What—where does your point?

carrie

Well—

kimberly

What do you want me to do, honey?

carrie

Okay, I’m gon—I’m gonna answer that honestly. Do you want me to?

kimberly

Yeah.

carrie

What I would love—and I know this asking a ton—I would love if you just actually looked at your personal history and said, “Is it possible that I went through something really traumatic, really difficult, something most people never—can never imagine. And I ended up with these physiological outcomes, like my eyes blinking and so on. I turned to a spiritual solution. And now I might accidentally, through no ha—through no fault of mine—I might accidentally be harming people by telling them I can heal them.” And taking a step back and asking yourself if that’s something you want to contribute to the world.

kimberly

Carrie, I am a real healer, and I have healed hundreds of hundreds of people, and I’m doing really good for people. And I’m a really great medical intuitive. And I really don’t, um, feel by you saying this to me is very kind. [Carrie makes a quiet, thoughtful sound.] Yeah, I—I do great work.

carrie

Uh, well, is there anything else that you want to say to get your story out? Anything I got wrong that you want to correct the record?

kimberly

No, I do—I do great work and I help a lot of great people. And I help people that are not feeling great. And I do a lot of great stuff for everybody.

carrie

I…I think that’s probably true. I think people probably leave your office feeling better. But if they’re sick, that’s not so good.

kimberly

Well, nobody leaves my—my office unhappy.

carrie

I believe that. But if they’re still sick and they’re—have a false sense of safety, that’d be bad, right?

kimberly

Nobody's leaving my office with a false sense of safety.

carrie

[With doubt or disagreement] Hmm.

kimberly

But I feel like what you’re—you’re doing is very unethical.

carrie

Okay. What am I doing that’s unethical?

kimberly

Um, I just—what you're doing right now is not cool. Just very uncool.

carrie

I—I wanna understand what you’re saying. Is it, uh—do you feel mislead?

kimberly

Yeah.

carrie

Okay, tell me about that. Why do you feel mislead?

kimberly

Uh, because there’s no denying my talent and what I do. I can scan people’s bodies and I help find things in them. I know where four stage cancer is in people’s breasts before they know. They go to the doctor and they say, “Yeah, that’s really great. Now we know you’ve got it.” And I can catch it so it doesn’t get into worse circumstances. And I do have these abilities that are helping people before it gets worse. And I’m not harming anybody by the gifts that I have. And it’s a real sadness to me the that you're trying to say that I’m doing something wrong when I’m not.

carrie

I mean, I think your intentions are totally pure. I think that you really believe what you’re saying.

kimberly

I'm gonna end it right now because I’ve saved hundreds of people from getting severe breast cancer and going into a worse stages. There’s a lot of good that I do, and, um, I’m sorry that there’s something that you’re feeling, um, that I did wrong.

carrie

Well, I—I can’t wait for the double-blind studies. If that’s true, that will completely vindicate you.

kimberly

[Chuckles quietly] Okay.

carrie

Okay, great. Send those along.

kimberly

Alright, honey.

carrie

I guess we’re not doing that scan, then.

kimberly

Uh, if you want to have you—undo the camera, I’ll scan you.

carrie

Oh, sure, okay.

kimberly

Hi [chuckles quietly].

carrie

[Chuckling] Hi. Ready when you are.

kimberly

Where did you find out that they said I was an RN?

carrie

I watched a lot of your videos and read your book. And, I mean, it’s in a few places.

kimberly

That I was an RN?

carrie

Well, you did.

kimberly

Where? I never said I was an RN.

carrie

So you weren’t a nurse?

kimberly

No!

carrie

You weren’t a nurse at all? So—you’re shaking your head.

kimberly

I never put in there I was an RN.

carrie

Let’s see. You’ve said it a few times. Um, you said you were a nurse for many years, on your radio show. Uh, then you said, “I was a nurse for years,” uh, on, uh, one of your Youtube videos.

kimberly

I worked—I went to school to be an LVN, and I worked at the hospital for many years.

carrie

I believe you that you worked at a hospital [chuckles a little].

kimberly

[Laughing tensely] Oh, yeah. Many years! A certified nurse.

carrie

Okay. I’m get—I’m getting two impressions from you. One is that, “Yes, I was a nurse,” and one is, “No, I’ve never said I was a nurse.” Which one is correct?

kimberly

I was going for my nursing—but nothing in my book is coming out saying that.

carrie

But you've said it in different places—

kimberly

Yeah, but it’s not going in my major book. The people think I am because of my abilities of my mediumship is so fast. And the words that I say, it’s because I’m channelling.

carrie

But I'm only quoting you. I’m not looking at what anyone said about you.

kimberly

But I was a certified nurse for years. Going to the hospital, working in all those places for many, many years.

carrie

Okay, so if you had a nursing license, why—

kimberly

There’s no way that they would have put me on the cover of that magazine if I didn’t do the study over at PSY-TEK Lab

carrie

Uh… I—I think you’ve been to PSY-TEK Lab. I don’t think that didn’t happen. I just think that maybe it wasn’t a double-blind study.

kimberly

Well, why did they write that? I didn’t write that. Okay. So, anyway.

carrie

Well, because I think they didn’t do their job, like I’m doing.

kimberly

Okay. Well, anyway, I’m not here to argue with you. And I don’t want to go on a show that’s going to be hurting my work that I’m doing in the community. Because I’m working so hard to help people.

carrie

[Quietly] Mm-hmm. Okay. [At regular volume] Well, I mean, you know, in this show you’ve also told me that I’m bad at my job, that I’m unethical. Um, and I feel okay with—about being challenged in that way.

kimberly

Well, you don’t have to say that you are. You can take it out.

carrie

[Laughs briefly] No, that’s okay. I don’t mind it. Um, did you want to do the scan?

kimberly

Sure.

carrie

Okay. Thank you.

kimberly

[Laughs] Um, why don’t you breathe? [Someone inhales and exhales deeply twice.] [Laughs] It’s definitely a double-blind study [laughs harder]. Okay, why don’t you stand up for a second—

carrie

Sure.

kimberly

You keep breathing.

carrie

[Sounding slightly farther from the mic] Can you still hear me okay?

kimberly

Sure. [Someone exhales deeply.] I don’t know why you’re getting a lot of blinks on your uterus area.

carrie

Okay.

kimberly

And then have you turn around… if you can. And just take a deep breath. Inhale. Exhale. [Both vocalize as they breathe.] Okay, great. I don’t know. They’re blinking on your throat.

carrie

Okay.

kimberly

Uh, around your teeth. I don’t know if you had dental—something around your jaw and your teeth.

carrie

Okay.

kimberly

Um, going on around your—your mouth area. Um, also I keep getting around your chest, God blinks going, “God, God, God, God.” Did you ever have something happen to your thyroid?

carrie

No. Uh-uh.

kimberly

What about your mouth?

carrie

Um, I grind my teeth at night?

kimberly

Um, and then what about in the lower part of your in—your stomach area, in your uterus area?

carrie

Uh, nothing in my uterus. Um, stomach…

kimberly

They’re blinking in those two spots. What about, like, are you ovulating right now? Are you having your menstrual cycle? Because it keeps blinking on the left side of you, over on your ovary.

carrie

Oh, okay. Um, no, I’m not—uh, well, I don’t know if I’m ovulating, but—‘cause I don’t track my cycle that way. But I—I’m not menstruating.

kimberly

Something on the left side of you, over by your hip area. And then also your heart area. The—the, like, every—like something over there is blinking to me. Did you ever have any surgeries?

carrie

Um, yes. So, let’s see, when I was nine, I had a surgery on my arm. See this?

kimberly

Yeah, and it was saying, like, you were saved by the Holy Spirit?

carrie

Oh!

kimberly

And it was going, “God, God, God,” in this chest area. So that’s why I said, “Did something happen to you around here?”

carrie

Mayb—I mean, could it be something I don’t even know about? When I was a baby or something?

kimberly

No, but what happened with you—would you say, with a horse?

carrie

Oh, I fell off a horse and I shattered my elbow and they had to remove all the, uh, the pieces of the bone.

kimberly

And that was at eight?

carrie

Uh, nine, I think.

kimberly

They’re saying eight.

carrie

Oh, okay.

kimberly

And then, they’re blinking over by this jaw. They need you to do more, um, probiotic or, um, don’t brush your teeth with fluoride. I don’t know if you’re—are—are you doing that?

carrie

Yeah, I use fluoride.

kimberly

Yeah. They, like, that’s not good. And then, they want to make sure you boost your immune system more. So, once again, I don’t know why. You’d have to give me—you know, this is where I go into the body and start to figure it out. Um, do you have regular menstrual cycles?

carrie

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

kimberly

And have you had kids?

carrie

Nope.

kimberly

Okay. Well, maybe it’s just you’re getting ready to ovulate or something.

carrie

Oh, okay. Maybe. Could it be in my fallopian tubes?

kimberly

It could be that, even. yeah.

carrie

Okay.

kimberly

So, it’s just going nonstop—so, if you were in the office, I would go in and start to do, like, a healing on you, on the left side. I—I—I mean, you could say, “You're totally wrong, Kimberly.” [Carrie laughs briefly] [Inaudible] horrible disease. I don't get that you've got cancer. I am getting that one thing. So, I don’t—if—you could say my—my hip has arthritis or something like that.

carrie

Hm, yeah, no, nothing over there. I do get migraines. I get them a lot.

kimberly

Hormone. You know, I’m getting—

carrie

Hmm.

kimberly

You know, I’m getting, like—if you say that migraine, that’s why when I get the uterus and I get around your throat.

carrie

Oh. Okay.

kimberly

[Inaudible] I go in to saying, “Do you eat fish? Do you eat soy? Do you eat—you know, that would get you your nutrition back.”

carrie

Oh, okay.

kimberly

Casue I wouldn't want you eating fish. Fish is really, you know, polluted. It's got that bioidentical hormones, the iodine from the ocean. You know, then I would help you with your diet. You know, then I would go into that.

carrie

And so, your scan, you said, is, uh, more accurate than an x-ray. So you could see if, you know—I don’t know, if anything was missing or [chuckles] or—or whatever.

kimberly

Do you have organs missing?

carrie

Um… I do.

kimberly

Okay. The only thing that I feel—if you had your appendix out?

carrie

[In the negative] Mm-mm.

kimberly

I don’t feel that. Stand back up again? Do you have a spleen out or something?

carrie

Nope.

kimberly

Okay, well, you got me, then. ‘Cause this keeps blinking down towards the lower part of your body. It would be in the lower part, to the left.

carrie

Lower part to the left. Okay.

kimberly

It keeps blinking over that area.

carrie

Oh. But you said my appendix. That would be on the right.

kimberly

No. Your appendix is—yeah, the right.

carrie

You thought that that was gone for a sec.

kimberly

Put your hand over to your appendix. Yeah. Over, over. So either the gallbladder or spleen area.

carrie

Hmm. Okay. Um, I have both of those. They seem to be in working order. But, um, I did have my fallopian tubes removed.

kimberly

That’s what I kept blinking on! You said, “No,” nothing’s wrong with your uterus.

carrie

[Flat] Nothing is wrong with my uterus.

kimberly

Yeah, but in your uterus, one of your ovaries or fallopian tube is blinking nonstop.

carrie

But your fallopian tubes aren’t in your uterus.

kimberly

What, honey?

carrie

Your fallopian tubes are not in your uterus.

kimberly

But I was blinking on your left side nonstop.

carrie

Uh-huh.

kimberly

Which—where is your fallopian tube?

carrie

You’re asking where in the body are the fallopian tubes? It was both of them.

kimberly

No! Where—which fall—

carrie

Both of them.

kimberly

Both of them are taken out?

carrie

Yes.

kimberly

Okay. Well, anyway, I was blinking in your lower area.

carrie

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, would you say that’s more accurate than an x-ray?

kimberly

Equivalent.

carrie

[In a doubting tone] Really [chuckles briefly]? I mean, you think an x-ray would just generally say, “Something’s weird around your bottom?”

kimberly

I think that—I think that I’m helpful. And I think that, um, it can help out. But I think both are great.

carrie

Mm-hmm.

kimberly

And I refer people to both. Me and them.

carrie

[Thoughtful] That’s good. That’s good.

kimberly

I work with Western medicine and we do—we both do it together.

carrie

But if you’re telling people you can cure them, they don’t need to go there.

kimberly

Nope. I never say that.

carrie

You never say you can cure people?

kimberly

I never say not to go to doctors.

carrie

No, of course not. But if you say that you can cure things, that person doesn’t need to go to a doctor. They’ve been cured.

kimberly

I don't cure people. God does.

carrie

Okay [chuckling a little], but—so, I’m saying, if God cures people through you, then they needn’t go to a doctor after that.

kimberly

They do go to doctors, still.

carrie

I’m sure some people do. I can’t imagine they all do if they think they’re cured. Or, what’s the point of you being there?

kimberly

Well… that’s besides the point, Carrie. If they want to still go, they can go. If they don’t, they don’t have to. But, anyway. I—I think we’ve already done enough. But—

carrie

Okay.

kimberly

—I’m just saying that if they want to go, they can go. And if they want to do a session with me, they can do a session with me.

carrie

Mm-hmm. But, you see what I’m saying, though, right? That, like, if someone went to you and you said you cured them—

kimberly

Most people come to me with their doctors.

carrie

They bring their doctor to the office?

kimberly

No, honey. They’re seeing their doctors and me together.

carrie

Right, okay. But what do you add to the equaiton, then?

kimberly

I add nutritional programs, prayer, and comfort.

carrie

I… Okay. [Chuckles briefly] Uh—

kimberly

And sometimes things that they don’t know that they have, I can help them with that, too.

carrie

Mm-hmm. By saying, “It’s vaguely in your bottom somewhere.”

kimberly

No. We do really great scans and healings.

carrie

Hmm. Okay.

kimberly

I'm gonna go now, ‘cause I have another call.

carrie

Okay. Alright, thank you so much, Kimberly. I—this was brave, and I appreciate you being on.

kimberly

Thank you so much, Carrie.

carrie

Have a good one.

kimberly

God bless you.

carrie

Well, there you have it. That was my interview with Kimberly Meredith, the medical intuitive. You can find her at healingtriolgy.com. I want to thank Kimberly for being on the show. I did contact PSY-TEK Energy Laboratories, one of the places she mentioned that she says ran a double-blind test on her. A rep from PSY-TEK didn’t confirm or disconfirm her claims, but did give this statement, “As you probably know, we test a lot of products, modalities, and practices that all make various claims. After 15 years of an amazing variety of studies, I can tell you that most do not perform as advertised.” A representative from the Institute of Noetic Sciences, uh, said, “I can confirm that Kimberly was one of the participating energy medicine practitioners in a large pilot study. We are now writing up the results of the pilot study for publication in a peer-reviewed scientific journal.” Uh, ’til then, they couldn’t talk about those results. An Amazon spokesperson didn’t reply to the question of whether Kimberly’s e-book was removed, but they sent this statement, “We encourage customers to refer to government sources for frequently updated, authoritative guidance about the virus and protective measures.” And they suggested the CDC and the WHO in particular. So, the day following this interview, Kimberly contacted us and she said that she does have a nursing license, though she declined to provide her license number.  She said, uh, she doesn’t need to prove anything to us. But the offer still stands. Uh, if she’d like to share any documentation, we would be more than happy to include that in a future episode, and that includes any double-blind testing. So, uh, the—the offer stands. The door’s open. If she wants to come back on the show, even, she could. I want to thank Matthew Strugar for legal counselling, Ross for suggesting the very good question about defining a double-blind study, Dr. Bree Simmons, a sports medicine specialist who offered her thoughts on the various effects of head trauma, and Jesse Meyers, who suggested contacting Dr. Simmons. And remember, from various videos featuring Kimberly Meredith,

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Kimberly Meredith (Unsourced Youtube videos): And I can scan the body like, you know, in 3.5, 4, 5 minutes—fast. And I’ll know whether you have anything that’s going on in your body. This is really a good idea to take it—take me up on that— [Electronic beep] And the power of the Holy Spirit is so undeniably amazing, it can cure anything. We have cured cancer. We can cure coronavirus. [Electronic beep] I’ve been doing Skypes for over three years, now, but more people are jumping on and doing those Skypes with me. And, uh, I scan the whole body. I will know if you have the virus or not through my eye blinking. I scan people, uh, I know if they have cancer. I know if they have tumors. I know everything in 3.5 minutes. [Electronic beep] So after this accident, everything came to halt my old life. And— Speaker 1: Which was what? Kimberly: My old—[chuckling] my other life was—I was working in the nursing profession. Also medical consultant on television shows. [Electronic beep]

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Kimberly (Unsourced Youtube videos): I’ve been tested by Dr. Norm C. Shealy, PSY-TEK Subtle Energy Laboratory. And both have confirmed my healing abilities. And I participated in double-blind studies across the country. [Electronic beep] I have a lot of honor for nurses. I was a nurse for years. [Electronic beep] Do you accept the debt of healing? Speaker 2: I do Kimberly: I accept the Holy Spirit. Keep breathing out with you. Speaker 2: I accept the Holy Spirit. Kimberly: And through accepting the Holy Spirit, I am healed. Keep breathing out with you. Speaker 2: And through accepting the Holy Spirit, I am healed. [Both makes loud breathing sounds.] Kimberly: Once the left eye blinks, you’re completely healed. Keep breathing. Good. Drop your neck. Keep breathing. Keep breathing. You’re doing it. Drop your neck. I am healed. Speaker 2: I am healed. I’m healed. I’m healed. I am healed. Kimberly: Good. It’s off you. Speaker 2: Thank you.

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