TRANSCRIPT Oh No, Ross and Carrie!: Ross and Carrie and Sister Rocky: Failed Predictions Edition

At the beginning of 2019, Ross and Carrie visited a store-front psychic to get her work, love, family, and health predictions for the upcoming year. Now, they check her predictions against the facts. And then… Carrie gives Sister Rocky a call.

Podcast: Oh No, Ross and Carrie!

Episode number: 227

Transcript

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“Oh No, Ross and Carrie! Theme Song” by Brian Keith Dalton. A jaunty, upbeat instrumental.

carrie poppy

Hello, and welcome to Oh No, Ross and Carrie! The show where we don’t just report on fringe science, spirituality, and claims of the paranormal. No, no, no. We take part ourselves!

ross blocher

That’s right! When they make the claims, we show up so you don’t have to! I’m Ross Blocher.

carrie

And I’m Ross Blocher. [Ross makes “hmm” sound.] And we have an update episode for the end of 2019!

ross

Yeah. Maybe not a comprehensive update, but uh, wanted to let you know how the year went, and also how some predictions panned out. And this will be our last episode for 2019. We’re taking a couple weeks off. So, uh.

carrie

Holidays.

ross

We hope you all have a wonderful holiday, whatever you celebrate, or don’t.

carrie

Yeah, or don’t even have a good time if you don’t want to.

ross

Yeah, you know what? We don’t want to force you into anything. Be miserable.

carrie

[Ross responds affirmatively multiple times.] You know, if Ebenezer Scrooge listens to this, do you. Yeah. Anyway, at the beginning of this year we went to see a storefront psychic named Sister Rocky, and she made some predictions for our lives and the country, sort of, and our health. A whole bunch of stuff. And we wanted to go back and see how they panned out.

ross

Yeah, she is a life coach and “clairdoyant”, as her business card says. [Both chuckle.] And uh, both of us had some pretty dire predictions about what was gonna happen. We both wanted to get some political lowdown, and she was not forthcoming on politics. But you, in the episode, you said, “I hope we get an impeachment this year.” [Carrie responds affirmatively.] And it looks like we got a squeaker, right before the end! [Both cheer quietly, saying “woo-hoo!”]

carrie

So anyway, come to my storefront psychic shop. I am now a psychic in 2020.

ross

Yeah. Well, hey, that’s, I think, one of the best hits so far.

carrie

Yeah, although I—I dunno, saying, “I hope he does,” I don’t know if that’s the same as predicting.

ross

Oh, fair enough.

carrie

We went back through and we made a little spreadsheet of all of these predictions that she made.

ross

And by “we”, we mean Carrie.

carrie

Well, you contributed to your part. I’m looking at it.

ross

[Chuckling] Well, uh, yeah. It was interesting just to see. This is always the hard thing to do, really the impossible thing to do, while you’re talking to a psychic, is to keep a list and actually track everything he or she says is gonna happen. And that sets up a great situation where you’re gonna remember the things that did pan out, or that were significant to you. And everything else, you know, your brain just can’t hold all that. Not what brains do.

carrie

Even if you are a sort of critical thinker, you’re skeptical of psychics and so on, your brain is still great at this. And I found that people will message me about Drew’s and my engagement and be like, “Sister Rocky was right! Oh my god, someone was right!” And that is a great hit, but also she made some dire predictions for my life that we’ve all just forgotten.

ross

Right, yeah. That’s how that works.

carrie

That’s how that works, that’s what your brain does.

ross

And uh, critical thinkers, we want to hear nice things about ourselves and so we lock onto those. “Yeah, she’s right, I am a cheerful person.” [Carrie laughs.] But then, you know, the other things—

carrie

Darn tootin’!

ross

—yeah, the things that are maybe not so good about us, you know, if they’re correct, we’ll lock onto them, but we’re very good at just rejecting things. So like, “Eh, that’s not me, that’s not right.” [Carrie responds affirmatively.] Anyway, so we’re trying to do the thorough thing and check up on these predictions. So yeah, let’s see how 2019 panned out according to psychic Sister Rocky.

carrie

Alright, so you went first, and her first prediction it looks like was that you have many long years ahead.

ross

Well, I’m not dead yet.

carrie

Yeah, you didn’t die this year! Let’s call it a hit.

ross

So, okay. [Carrie laughs.] Alright. Well done. That was just looking at my lifeline on my hand. Alright, let’s see. She said that I stress very easily. I always struggle with this one. You know, I do a lot of stuff and I do it as fast as I can, but I don’t do any more than that. But, uh, I’ve certainly been feeling some mounting anxiety over this past year, just with not being able to keep up with everything that I want to be doing, or that I commit to doing. So uh, I don’t know if I call that stressing easily, but I’ll call it a mild hit. 

carrie

Okay. I also feel like it’s hard if you’ve never been anyone else. What are you comparing this to?

ross

Yeah. I don’t know, others around me. Well, you’re around me, would be better qualified to say if like, I’m constantly in that state of stress or—

carrie

Oh, yeah. I’m gonna guess, okay. If I think of like, you now versus five or six years ago, I’d say you’re more stressed.

ross

Yeah. Yeah, and you know, when you have people who are close to you, they are your opportunity to sort of unload, and say, “Ugh you know…” [Carrie responds affirmatively and laughs.] Here’s everything I’ve been carrying and not talking to people about all day long. So, definitely I can belly ache to Carrie and uh, Kara and Andrew. So, I’ll give that a sideways, uh sure. Um, she told me that I dwell on the past and to get over it.

carrie

Okay. Have you been thinking about that ever since? [Both laugh.]

ross

No. I was just reminded as I was looking at this spreadsheet. But, it’s funny, my dad is very much that kind of person who will still sort of obsess over something that he aid or did years ago. And I think I may have inherited a little bit of that, where I can still, like at certain times of the day, run over things that I did a long time ago and I feel bad about. I don’t think it’s always in my mind, ever present. So, I’ll give this another semi-hit. She said that I’m cheerful.

carrie

I’d say that you’re cheerful.

ross

I’ll take it!

carrie

I would say, especially in a context like this, that would be, you know, where you’re meeting a new person, you’re friendly. Yeah.

ross

She said that I’m sensitive and emotional. Alright. Sure. [Carrie laughs.] Okay, here we go. Now we start getting into actual predictions. She said that the next six months will be rough.

carrie

Yeah, so let’s see. That would have been January through June, 2019.

ross

We did a bunch of touring.

carrie

We did.

ross

Which was fun, but also a lot of work.

carrie

Yeah, high impact.

ross

I went to South by Southwest, that was fun. Definitely things were busy at work, they’ve been busy all year. My son graduated.

carrie

From High School, yeah.

ross

Yeah, but nothing I would call rough, necessarily. You know hat, my cousin Scott did die in May. The end of May. That was rough.

carrie

Very unexpected.

ross

Yeah, it was. So, that’s the only thing that I could point at this for six months and say that was rough. I don’t think the whole six months were rough.

carrie

Got it. Okay.

ross

Extraordinarily so. “Bad luck will turn to good during the 7th month.”

carrie

Okay, so July.

ross

It’s funny. My best way of recalling my past year very quickly was just to go through my photo roll, ‘cause I take pictures all the time of everything. So I did that, and I didn’t see any characteristic shift from the first half of the year to the second half, in those terms. So I’m calling that a miss.

carrie

My birthday was that month. [Ross responds emphatically.] So, an evening’s birthday, evening Blocher!

ross

I don’t know if that’s bad luck turning to good, but happy birthday.

carrie

It was very good luck that people you love were still alive.

ross

Indeed. She said there would be a completion during the 7th month. Again, don’t know what that would mean.

carrie

Oh, right. We guessed that maybe we were going to go to Teal Swan’s Completion Process—

ross

Oh, right. And that did not happen.

carrie

—during July. Nope.

ross

I went to Camp Quest West. That’s pretty good.

carrie

You love that place.

ross

Did that in the 7th month. She said my heart is not doing well, but not physically, emotionally.

carrie

Okay. [Ross makes unenthused sound.] Your love life or something.

ross

Well, she gets into that more. But yeah, I’m calling that a miss. I don’t know what that means. And then yeah, she did say more overtly that I’m doing poorly in love.

carrie

Oof, okay.

ross

Nope.

carrie

No? Alright.

ross

And that I’ve been hurt three times, and I’d have a really hard time knowing how to parse that.

carrie

Yeah, either it’s a very big number or a very small number.

ross

Right, depending how you define that being hurt. It’s like defining a planet versus a dwarf planet, you know? If you allow Pluto to be a planet, there’s a lot of other things that are technically planets. [Carrie responds affirmatively.] So you make it the largest of the dwarf planets. Uh, so—

carrie

And if you’re a person who’s been struck by lightning three times, we’d be like, “That’s an amazing hit!” But if you’re a person who has, you know, had three medium-sized bad things happen to him by the time he’s 37, eh, well, alright.

ross

So it wasn’t the sort of thing where I immediately go like, “Oh yeah! I know what you’re talking about.”

carrie

“I know what that means.”

ross

My heart chakra is spinning poorly. I can’t speak to that. [Carrie laughs.] Maybe? Uh, I’m jealous of others, not in a relationship sense. I was reminded of a friend of mine, Bob Kurtz, very talented animator. And he talks about this thing called joyful jealousy, when you have people around you and they’re doing amazing things, and you’re like really happy for them, but at the same time like, “Oh, I wish I had done that.” [Carrie responds affirmatively.] So I experience that all the time.

carrie

Sure, but it sort of lacks the resentment aspect. Yeah. That’s good.

ross

Yeah, but definitely there’s a lot of people around me doing really cool things, and I’m happy for them.

carrie

Yeah. I don’t think that’s probably the kind of thing she meant.

ross

So, okay. Fail. She sensed good chemistry between us.

carrie

[Emphatically] Hey! Hit!

ross

We approve. [Carrie laughs.] She said that I’m struggling in love.

carrie

Okay, boy, she’s really trying to make that make sense to you.

ross

Yeah, and I dunno, if she had said that seven years ago, maybe I could have made something out of that. But no, it really doesn’t resonate on any level. She said I’m not very trusting. [Chuckling] That’s a psychic talking to me, so, okay.

carrie

[Laughing] ‘Cause you don’t trust psychics.

ross

Yeah. Otherwise, very trusting. That I always have my guard up? Sure. Around a psychic.

carrie

Okay. Fair enough.

ross

Uh, do I always have my guard up in general? Again, I don’t know how to compare my experience to others. I don’t feel like that’s true, but that could just mean being positive about myself.

carrie

Right, and if you always had it up, it would be a hard thing to know about yourself, ‘cause it would be like like the air around you. You know? [Ross responds affirmatively.] I guess, unless people reflected that to you a lot. If they were like, “I never feel like I can get through to you,” or something, then maybe.

ross

So, yeah, can’t really speak to that fully. She said that I’m controlling. I’unno. [Carrie laughs, and responds several times as Ross continues speaking.] Uh, that I’m meant to be a leader. I don’t really see that as part of my personal makeup. I think I’m just too busy doing other things, and I don’t see myself having much bandwidth or inclination to try to lead others.

carrie

I do feel like if I did an escape room with several people, you might be the person who naturally emerged to be like, wait, let me get everybody who’s already doing work, let’s collect this into like an overlying pattern that will actually help us succeed.

ross

Okay. I did that in a recent escape room, but that was with two people that had never done an escape room before. And we succeeded! [Carrie responds emphatically with “hey!”] In general, I think my philosophy is I’m happy to follow, until like, everybody’s sort of meandering around like, “What do we do?” and I’m like, “Okay, now’s my chance to do it.” She said there are two people standing in my way—

carrie

Uh oh!

ross

—of things I’m trying to accomplish. I dunno who those people are.

carrie

Did you stand in a line recently? Oh, to see Amma. [Ross responds emphatically, saying “oh” multiple times.] There were more than two people though. There were more than two people!

ross

So many people stood in my way. Hundreds. Yeah, I dunno what that means. Um, she said that I would be butting heads, and actually I did, for the first time ever actually, butt heads with somebody at work. That never happened before, and you know, it’s resolved now, but I’ll call that a hit. She said that there are two things that I’m trying to accomplish and I think there are two people standing in the way of those projects. So, I’m just gonna say a solid miss on that, because I feel like at the end of the year, I would know, “Oh, that’s what she meant.”

carrie

You would know what that meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

ross

Okay, so here’s the big one. [Carrie responds emphatically.] It was my big takeaway, and something that was very testable, is that psychic Sister Rocky said that I would be accused of sexual impropriety within the next six months. This was the beginning of January.

carrie

Now, before you tell us whether that happened, was this on your mind at all? Did that give you any of the sort of heebie-jeebies about whether this would happen?

ross

You know, I’ll say no. I was pretty confident that this was not something that was going to happen, or that had already happened. So, I thought it was kind of silly, and I had no problem talking with people about it, even at work. So, I guess they all knew to have their eyes on me. So, six months went by. Nothing happened, and everybody would say, “Well, not that you know of yet!” [Carrie responds affirmatively.] So they’ve had six months and a change of HR leadership to report me, and nothing has happened that I would recognize as like, “Uh oh, I hope nobody mentions this!” [Carrie laughs.] And nothing has happened in that respect. So, I’m calling it a solid fail. Solid miss.

carrie

Okay. There you go.

ross

But that was certainly, I think, the most interesting prediction out of all of these. And she was trying to sell me on like, $540 worth of candle work to deal with it. So, good thing I saved that $540.

carrie

And, you know, often psychics will use this excuse if their predictions don’t come true, of like, “Well, I can only sort of see likelihoods, and you still have free agency,” and so on. But this was something that was going to happen to you that you had no control over. So, it’s not like your belief or disbelief or you’re making better decisions to do anything.

ross

And she got very explicit about it. Even when she was trying to sell me on the candles, she was saying, “Well, we can’t stop this from happening. It’s going to happen no matter what. But we can, you know, maybe help deal with things on the perimeter around that.”

carrie

Gosh, I’m trying to put myself in her mind and like, does she really just think, “Oh, this is true of every man. In the next six months, someone will accuse them of sexual impropriety.”

ross

Yeah. And certainly the Me Too movement was kind of in the heat of things at the time. So, yeah, who knows what was going on in her head. But it did not pan out, thankfully. Thankfully for all the women around me. Or men. She didn’t specify. She told me not to invest. I mean, I—

carrie

In the next six months, right?

ross

Yeah. I did put some money in, you know, like one of those accounts that earns like 1.5% or something like that, just to have some money doing something. I did resist investing in a money market account. I was meeting with a financial advisor, and he just kept saying inconsistent things to me. Saying, “This is the best one for you,” and then a few minutes later he’d say, “Yeah, this is the best one for you.” Wait a second, you were pointing at that one just a minute ago. So, I gave up after awhile. But not because of psychic Sister Rocky.

carrie

[Laughing] Was that in the first six months?

ross

Yeah. It was.

carrie

Oh my gosh. Good thing you avoided it.

ross

[Sighing] I guess you could. I wasn’t thinking about her at the time.

carrie

It’s almost as if these predictions are articulated in such a way that it’s impossible to prove to her wrong.

ross

Right. So, I’m just gonna call it a miss. I don’t think that was particularly relevant or interesting. She told me that New York held something positive for me. [Carrie responds emphatically with “yeah!”] It did, yeah! We had a show out in Brooklyn.

carrie

That was such a great show.

ross

That was great. So, thank you, psychic Sister Rocky. “Don’t move to New York.” Well, I didn’t. [Carrie responds emphatically, shouting “hey!”] So, if I had moved to New York, and something bad had happened, then we’d give her credit for that.

carrie

Yeah, I guess. I guess.

ross

Yeah, alright. That’s sideways. We can’t say whether that was useful or not. I had no plans to move to New York.

carrie

But you didn’t.

ross

Something good was gonna come from Colorado. You pointed out that our SoulMalas 528 hertz frequency of love healing set—

carrie

Which actually turned out to be 530 hertz.

ross

—we ordered it from a company that we later found is based in Colorado, but it shipped from China, so I doubt— [Carrie giggles.] It came from the drop ship company. I don’t think it ever actually went there or got blessed in Colorado, so.

carrie

Also, I’m willing to say that was not something good.

ross

Okay, so, yeah. I’m saying, yeah, that’s a miss on the Colorado one. Things will generally go well for me in 2019. Yeah.

carrie

Okay. I don’t think I even put this together when I was listing back through, but—

ross

And yet she had told me I’d be accused of sexual impropriety.

carrie

Yeah! You’re gonna be falsely accused of a very serious crime, but it’ll be a good year! [Laughs.]

ross

Generally you’ll look back at 2019 and be like, “I’m glad that year happened!” So, I’m guessing some really good stuff had to be going down all the rest of the year, when I wasn’t being accused of sexual impropriety. [Carrie responds affirmatively.] Uh, so at least in this part, she was right. It’s been a good year. I liked 2019. I’m not being fulfilled? Eh, I’m just gonna say miss. I feel plenty fulfilled.

carrie

You’re the only person who can say, so.

ross

I’m too busy. I don’t have time to feel unfulfilled. [Carrie laughs.] Problems with sleeping and indigestion. Uh, definitely I’ve had some nights where I haven’t slept enough.

carrie

You know, you’ve mentioned that a few times, and I—are you having insomnia, or is it just like, you don’t have the time to go to sleep?

ross

[Carrie responds affirmatively multiple times.] I just don’t have the time. Yeah. I’ve never suffered insomnia. Like, if I go to bed, I go to bed.

carrie

Okay. Yeah. So, not like sleeping problems, more like time problems.

ross

Yeah, not like a physical problem sleeping. But, you know, actually, if anything I’ve gotten better at saying like, “I’m tired now. I’m not gonna keep working. I’m gonna go to bed.”

carrie

Oh, good, I’m glad to hear that.

ross

So, I do that. My sexual chakra was not spinning.

carrie

Oh, no.

ross

Hopefully it started up again.

carrie

Did you have sex this year?

ross

Yeah.

carrie

[Emphatically] Okay, hey! I didn’t know you lost your virginity this year! That’s great! [Ross laughs.] Congratulations!

ross

Kara and I finally decided it was time. She said that my sexual performance is fine, but that I’m detached. Emotionally detached. [Carrie responds emphatically with “goodness”.] Nope, that’s wrong.

carrie

What a wide swing to make.

ross

Oh man, yeah. After she knew that I had been in my marriage for 18 years. It’s pretty wild.

carrie

Yeah, I wonder if it was another one of those, well, you’re a man. So if anything has been related to you negatively in the sex realm, it’s probably gonna be something like, “oh, you don’t cuddle me enough” or something.

ross

Mm-hm. Yeah. No, got a good relationship. I was just telling someone recently, like it works out to about every six years Kara and I will have an argument, that like I would actually call an argument.

carrie

Oh, wow. Okay. Wow.

ross

And uh, we’re, you know, it’s been a long time since we argued about anything. So, uh, no. It’s been a good year in the relationship category. So, wrong.

carrie

I’m assuming to you, an argument is like, a pretty big thing then. You must have little like, tiffs. Like, disagreements. [Ross hums in disagreement.] No?

ross

Not really. It’s not a thing.

carrie

What is happening in that home?

ross

No, but I mean, yeah the ones that stand out are definitely like, we’re upset about something big. And you know what? The last one was over the Rhythmia thing. [Carrie responds affirmatively with “oh yeah, sure.”] Yeha, that was the last time we really had a fight fight. Yeah, no. Just generally we’re very happy. Things are going well, so.

carrie

Alright! Hey, congrats on that.

ross

Suck it. [Carrie laughs.] Uh, vulnerable to substance abuse. Still wrong.

carrie

Yeah, no. You are a person for whom that even particularly doesn’t apply, you know what I mean?

ross

Yeah, right. There are people for who that would be somewhere in the grey area, but uh, no. Not here. Uh, I’m stubborn? No! [Carrie laughs.] I’m not stubborn. I’m never stubborn. That’s wrong. No, you can’t convince me otherwise. She said that there’s been a void in my life since I was 17.

carrie

Yeah, and then, that’s when you met Kara, started dating Kara.

ross

Started dating her, yeah. Technically we met when I was 10. But yeah, she just doesn’t like Kara. That’s all there is to it.

carrie

Yeah. I think she’s in love with you.

ross

Their energies are not meshing. There’s only one way to find out if she’s in love with me.

carrie

Marry her?

ross

Psychic Sister Rocky?

carrie

Yeah.

ross

Oh, okay. Uh, I’m gonna move to New York and marry psychic Sister Rocky.

carrie

Oh, no, you can’t move to New York! Shit!

ross

Oh, no? Oh, boy.

carrie

Fudge. But you’re right, she is in New York.

ross

Yeah. Hmm, interesting. Okay, we’ll get to that. And uh, that was about it for her readings for me. She said that one of my chakras didn’t need work, which she called my aura. Which is totally weird. [Carrie laughs.] Again, no way to evaluate that statement.

carrie

Oh, yeah yeah, ‘cause you called her and said, “Which of my chakras is the one that’s fine?” And she said, “Your aura chakra.”

ross

Yeah, which is not...

carrie

That’s—that’s not a—we even know that’s not a thing.

ross

Not a thing. So, looking at this long list of predictions, there were, let’s see, five things that I would say, yeah, sure, that was a hit. Most of them were pretty inconsequential.

carrie

What was the best hit?

ross

That I would butt heads at work. [Carrie responds affirmatively with “okay”.] Just because that had never happened before and it did once. I’ll say that’s the best hit. Alright, how did your readings pan out?

carrie

I wish I could say, Ross. But, first, I want to tell you how much I love my own teeth.

ross

That’s good. I’m glad you love your teeth.

carrie

Yeah, you know, I love taking care of them. I love looking at them I love using them to talk, eat, etcetera.

ross

[Laughing] You love looking at your teeth?

carrie

Yeah! Why not?

ross

Cool! Yeah, sure. That’s normal.

carrie

[Laughing] There’s an episode of The Mary Tyler Moore Show where Ted is just sitting by himself on the couch, and he just hasn’t talked in awhile. And they’re like, “Hey Ted, what’s up with you?” And he says, “Oh, I’m counting my teeth.” [Both laugh.]

ross

That’s a great line. That’s good writing.

carrie

Yup. It’s a really well written show.

ross

‘Cause it’s not advancing the plot.

carrie

Yup. Exactly. It’s like—

ross

It’s this little human moment.

carrie

Exactly. It’s how things really happen, but just slightly heightened.

ross

Tied into the character. Oh, I love it. That’s fun. Well, if you care about your teeth.

carrie

I do.

ross

And maybe some of our listeners do as well, you probably want to get a toothbrush that is built to all the latest and greatest standards in tooth brushing.

carrie

You probably do. And if you do, you should probably get a Quip.

ross

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carrie

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ross

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carrie

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ross

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carrie

I hope Santa brings me a new Quip.

ross

Oh yeah?

carrie

Because when I moved, I misplaced my Quip.

ross

Oh, no!

carrie

Yeah. I mean, it’s okay. I’ve been brushing my teeth since, but it’s not the same, as you know.

ross

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carrie

That’s your first refill free at GetQuip.com/ohno.

ross

GetQuip.com/ohno.

carrie

What are you getting me for Christmas? A website, or? That’s what I really want.

ross

Oh, you do?

carrie

Yeah.

ross

Well, that’s good, because I actually just got you a Squarespace.

carrie

[Gasps] That’s my favorite kind of website!

ross

Well, you’re in luck, because I found just the right site for you to create your online presence.

carrie

Really?

ross

Oh, yeah. Well, let me tell you about it. You could use Squarespace if you want to create a blog, or maybe publish content. Maybe you want to promote your physical or online business.

carrie

I want to promote my physical or online business.

ross

What if you want to announce an upcoming event or special project?

carrie

Okay, what about if I’m getting married, say?

ross

That’s a special project.

carrie

Could I make a website called DrewCarrieShow.com but Carrie spelled C-A-R-R-I-E, and then make it about my wedding? But it’s like very beautiful and high tech, and yet it only takes me, I don’t know, an hour or two to create?

ross

I think you could do that, as long as the other Drew Carey Show doesn’t sue you. [Carrie laughs.] Yeah, and you could do it on Squarespace.

carrie

Okay, you know what? I think I will. Click, click, click, click. Oh my gosh, I just did!

ross

Look at that! You’re using beautiful templates created by world class designers.

carrie

And I can use powerful e-commerce functionality if I want to sell items at my wedding!

ross

Oh, looks like you even have a new way to buy domains and choose from over 200 extensions.

carrie

You know I did. I chose dot com, but I could have.

ross

You could have gotten another dot horse.

carrie

It’s true. [Laughing] DrewCarrieShow.horse might be pushing it.

ross

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carrie

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Oh, yeah! You got that discount, and gave us credit for it!

carrie

Yeah. That’s right.

ross

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carrie

And for looking at my wedding.

ross

That’s you guys! It looks great.

carrie

Thank you! There’s even an FAQ section.

ross

Oh, wow.

carrie

Ross’ name is on it.

ross

Oh, yeah! Look at me! [Carrie laughs.] I’m an esteemed reader.

carrie

Esteemed reader. And look at that, it’s mobile optimized right out of the box. Good god, what a good website.

ross

Oh, yeah. You built it beautiful.

carrie

I really did. So, you were asking me about Sister Rocky.

ross

Yeah. How did her predictions go for you? ‘Cause she had some strong relationship predictions.

carrie

She sure—oh yeah, relationship and health predictions. She really went for it with me. So, okay, first she also told me I had a long lifeline. Like you, I didn’t die this year, so.

ross

 Woo-hoo! High-five! [Carrie responds emphatically.] We’ll merge our lifelines briefly in a high-five.

carrie

[Laughs] She said that I will die of old age, unless I drink a bunch or use a lot of drugs.

ross

This is helpful to hear, because in our line of work you never know when we’re gonna like, take a step too far— [Carrie responds affirmatively.] —and one of us has to die. So, uh, that’s good. Assuming we take her word for it.

carrie

Unless I drink a bunch, or use a lot of drugs. I mean, use a lot of drugs could also still be in our line of work, but probably not. Anyway, she said there will be problems in my ovarian area this year, but they will be ruled out.

ross

I feel like if I were a psychic I would be working in little references to things and see if people notice. I would say, “There will be blood.” [Carrie laughs.] See if anyone’s a fan of the movie.

carrie

They’re just a big PT Anderson fan. Actually, that is my favorite director, so I might be like, “Oh! Wow, this is amazing!”

ross

Anyway, so yeah. Is that true, Carrie?

carrie

No. There was—I mean.

ross

You didn’t have any troubles in your ovarian area?

carrie

Not that I know of, and certainly none that were then ruled out by a doctor.

ross

Yeah, okay. Miss.

carrie

Yeah. Miss. She said my energy, though, could make real cancer happen.

ross

Did it? Have you been diagnosed with cancer?

carrie

No, I haven’t been diagnosed with cancer.

ross

Yet.

carrie

Miss? Uh, yeah, I guess in the next like week I could be—

ross

It’s hard to know what’s raging on inside your body. Hopefully not.

carrie

It’s true. Again, maybe the design of the prediction. Okay, then she said I’m a happy go lucky woman, but inside I carry a little sadness.

ross

That’s just a Barnum statement. That’s true for me, too.

carrie

Yeah, yeah. Oh, this is interesting. When I was making this chart, I see I wrote “unknown”. [Both chuckle.] But um, yeah, sure. I mean, if I didn’t carry a little sadness, I would not be human. Okay, then she said, [Laughing] oh yeah. “Gotten so used to sadness, I don’t even feel it.” Oh, I bet that’s why I went back and put unknown. ‘Cause I thought, “Okay, well, if I wouldn’t even know, then you tell me.”

ross

As Donald Rumsfeld would say, that’s one of the unknown unknowns.

carrie

Yeah, totally. Okay, then she said I have made a foolish mistake in the past. Oh, right, and at the time I was trying to figure that out. And I was like, well, I guess I only have two things that I return to and say like, “Oh, did I do the right thing there?” And one was not transferring to Berkeley.

ross

Oh, because of a boy.

carrie

Because of a boy. [Ross responds with “ugh”.] And the other was kind of giving up on my dog Tome who had become just like, super aggressive, and I ended up putting him down.

ross

Probably was still the right choice.

carrie

I think so. But, you know, those are the sorts of things that you return to every once in awhile.

ross

Stick with you. Yeah.

carrie

But I said both of those to her, and she was like, “No no, not those.” I was like, “Oh, then I really don’t know.” And then she said, “For some women, it’s an abortion.” I was like, “Okay, well, I haven’t had an abortion, so.”

ross

Hashtag not all women.

carrie

Yeah. So that was a miss. Okay, she said I will be told I have cancer, but it will be misdiagnosed.

ross

Oh, make up your mind, lady.

carrie

Yeah. That’s a miss.

ross

You know what? That was probably her referring to herself from a few minutes before, where— [Carrie laughs.] —she told me you would have cancer.

carrie

Yeah, that’s—you know what?

ross

Alright, she just canceled herself out.

carrie

That’s the best version you can make of this, so sure. Then she said—this is so confusing. I remember being so confused by this. She said you’ll be told you have cancer, but it’s gonna be misdiagnosed, but also the cancer will be healed.

ross

Hmm. Okay. There’s the false cancer, there’s the real cancer. The real cancer will be healed.

carrie

Maybe she’s hoping that as you recall this, you won’t be going through it with a fine-tooth comb the way we are, and you’ll just remember like, “Oh, she said something about me having cancer and it turning out okay.”

ross

And didn’t worry about her own internal inconsistency there. Okay.

carrie

But anyway, there was no mention of cancer from my doctors, and I do get pretty thoroughly examined every year since there’s like, a lot of cancer in my family. So.

ross

Okay. Fail.

carrie

I think that’s a miss. She did say that higher power will bless me this year.

ross

Well, you got blessed briefly by Amma. [Carrie responds emphatically, repeating “okay”.] She’s kind of one with the supreme reality.

carrie

You’re right. She is God, so alright, we’ll call that a hit. Writing hit.

ross

[Laughs] You’re welcome, psychic Sister Rocky. I’m fighting for you.

carrie

We’re giving you the best possible version of yourself. Alright, then she said I should be grateful but I shouldn’t shout it from the rooftops. I guess that’s what I’m doing.

ross

Did you get on a rooftop?

carrie

I haven’t been on a roof all year, I’m pretty sure. I’m trying to think of a time I was on a roof.

ross

I’m trying to think of a time I was on a roof. Usually I’m on a roof.

carrie

Yeah, it’s kind of interesting. I would think I could think of some rooftop time. Probably, I probably parked in a parking structure on the roof.

ross

Oh, sure. Of course. Yeah, that happened. I didn’t shout anything up there, though.

carrie

Yeah, me neither. So. Okay, yeah. But I do feel grateful. My life is going very well, thank you very much. Now I need to be more grateful for myself, she says. Maybe.

ross

Yeah, that’s not even a prediction, that’s just sort of—

carrie

Advice. Yeah. Which, I mean, people do turn to psychics for. But could I say that I have like a deficit of gratitude for myself? I really don’t know. She said that I have no feeling in my inner soul, which—you know what? That’s true. There are no nerve endings there. [Both giggle.] I have no feeling in my inner soul.

ross

That’s true. Yeah, we do know where the inner soul is located on the body, and there are no nerve endings there.

carrie

[Laughs] Yeah. That’s such an unprovable—how do I know that I don’t have feeling in that thing? [Frustrated yelp.] Anyway, okay. Then she said that my life purpose is to bring excitement to other people. I felt like that’s—that’s fine. Like, you know, part of my job is like, performing and stuff. So sure. But I do also feel like she probably is like, “Fairly chipper person in LA? This’ll hit.” [Ross responds affirmatively.] Okay, then she said my flesh needs to fly so that soul energy can take control.

ross

Oh yeah, that was like the almost creepy thing, where it almost sounded like some weird physical threat or like—

carrie

Right, it almost sounds like the way you’d talk—like a mahasamadhi—like the way you’d talk about a spiritual person leaving the body.

ross

You need to shed your mortal coil.

carrie

Right. On a new plane now.

ross

So did that happen?

carrie

Uh, no. I’ve been keeping my flesh really close to me

ross

It didn’t fly? Okay.

carrie

Okay, then we hit a pretty strong string of misses here. [Ross laughs and responds affirmatively as Carrie speaks.] Yeah, so she said that I keep opinions to myself. I wouldn’t say that’s right. You know, certainly not more than other people. She said there was a jealous woman around me. If there is, I don’t know about it.

ross

And she was gonna try to steal Drew away from you.

carrie

Yeah. So the jealous woman will try to make it seem like something has happened between her and Drew. The implication seemed to be sleeping together, but I’m not sure she actually said sleeping together. That hasn’t happened. No woman has come to me and said that.

ross

I guess we need to add a proviso here. We’re mid-December as we’re recording this, so.

carrie

Oh yeah, all of this could happen in the next like, two weeks.

ross

We will definitely let you know if all of this comes true in the last two weeks of the year. You know, that’s 1/26th of the year. That’s like, 4% of the year.

carrie

Okay. Yeah. She said that this woman who comes forward, she will be lying. Drew rejected her, and she’s mad about that, and that’s why she’s saying that Drew slept with her or whatever. But it’s not true.

ross

Just sounds like very creative storytelling on Sister Rocky’s part.

carrie

Yeah, totally. I feel like maybe, you know, as she sees that nothing’s landing with me, she’s just sort of broadening the story a little and making it seem a little more plausible, you know? If she had just been like, “There’s a jealous woman,” and I’d have been like, “Yeah, yeah,” then she’d know, okay, maybe this relationship’s a little rocky.

ross

I feel like these were the two items that were from her grab bag of tricks. Oh, I’m talking to a woman, we’re going to talk about another woman stepping in. And oh, we’re talking to a man, we’re gonna talk about you getting outed for sexual impropriety. [Carrie responds affirmatively.] She probably has a few others, but I’m guessing this is her little go-to.

carrie

I think so.

ross

I want to alert this person, make them worried, and make them think they need my help.

carrie

Right, and hopefully something that’s already sort of on their mind. So, if I believe this woman’s lies, my relationship will falter. Still a miss. I’m gonna meet the woman this year. So, apparently it’s not a woman I already knew at that point.

ross

Wow. This is gonna be a busy two weeks for you.

carrie

[Laughs] Yeah, I don’t think I’ve met her yet. But I need to have faith in a higher power over this, and especially I need to have faith in a higher power so that I don’t get cancer.

ross

Are you still an atheist?

carrie

I still don’t believe in a—yeah. Unless by higher power she means like, democracy or something. Truth.

ross

The American way.

carrie

And then she said, oh okay. She straight up said my uterine wall and fallopian tubes will get cancer.

ross

Well, who knows where they are right now.

carrie

[Laughing] Yeah. If you have my fallopian tubes, please check them and see if they make water taste just a little sweet. [Both laugh.]

ross

I was just thinking that.

carrie

But yeah. As far as I know, my uterus is fine, and it got checked this year, as it does every year, so. She did say I may later need a hysterectomy. Just go ahead and do it! Okay. She said my—

ross

What a horrible way to get that advice.

carrie

[Laughing] Yeah, I know! It’s like decent advice, but you don’t actually know anything about my life. You just happen to hit upon some decent advice.

ross

Yeah, there’s no way in which she should be telling people that.

carrie

That’s correct. Then she said that my cancer will actually be caused by a spiritual problem. And I will have cancer in the next six months if I don’t get a healing from...

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Ross & Carrie: [In unison] Sister Rocky!

ross

And you didn’t.

carrie

I didn’t!

ross

You didn’t pay that extra money.

carrie

I did not. And, you know what? Still doing fine.

ross

Hey, that six months is definitely expired.

carrie

Oh, for sure.

ross

Miss.

carrie

And then some. So, in particular I needed a power animal to eat my illness. That’s weird.

ross

Is that a thing?

carrie

A power animal?

ross

Eating your illness?

carrie

Oh, yeah. I think at the time I asked her that. Like, oh, I haven’t associated that with power animals. But I guess yeah.

ross

Okay, my psychic fox, climb down to my psychic spleen and eat it.

carrie

[Laughs] What’s the hungriest animal, a hippo? Hungry hungry hippo?

ross

I hear hippos do kill a lot of people.

carrie

Oh, that’s true. Yeah yeah, I think it’s the most dangerous land mammal, right? Anyway, so she wanted to give me a candle healing that would help me get my spirit animal. That’s normally $220, but she’s willing to give it to me for $120. But I still decided I was gonna risk it, and here I am.

ross

Boy, $120. That was my full price for just one chakra, so, really she was offering you a steal.

carrie

Yeah, that’s true. I wonder then if my chakras are fine, or if this was just like a triage situation where this was more important or what. Hmm, interesting.

ross

Or she felt like somehow I was mister moneybags.

carrie

Mm-hm, mm-hm. So then she said you and I collaborate creatively.

ross

Correct.

carrie

True. Now, do you think she got that from you, from your conversation?

ross

Oh, I don’t think I said anything that would give away that we have a project together, so I’ll call that a hit.

carrie

Okay. Hard to remember this far out. Then, okay. Then I tried to get her to say what would happen with Trump this year, and she just, she wouldn’t comment on it. She’s like, “Oh, I just can’t say. I can’t say.”

ross

I mean, that’s fair. Even he doesn’t know what he’s gonna do next.

carrie

[Laughing] True. So she didn’t get anything wrong there, so fine. Apparently at some point I said that I think Trump is a psychopath and she agreed. So, I’m gonna call that a hit. [Ross responds emphatically.] Oh yeah, then she got on that kick of just trying to give me advice about my book that I did not want. Yeah, so she told me to make a clear point in my book. Great, good advice. Okay, she said 2019 is the year of Carrie taking less control. I don’t know what that means, so I’m gonna call it a miss.

ross

And I don’t think that characterizes your year. You made some big decisions.

carrie

Yeah, that’s true. Yeah. Um, okay. This one’s a little tricky. She said my three and a half year relationship is getting stronger. We did break up after this. Um, we got back together. I dunno, that feels like a miss because it was before the break up. But I’m sure she would say grey area, so I will too.

ross

It would be a hitty kind of miss. [Carrie laughs.] It’s an unusual situation.

carrie

Yeah. Um, then—but, she said, this is the big hit. We will have a new commitment coming forward this year.

ross

Hey. Okay, and that’s the one listeners remembered.

carrie

Yup, exactly. And I get it. I get why. I mean, getting engaged, that’s a thing that hopefully happens just once in your life. Then she said that Drew and I would start thinking about adopting another dog. Hasn’t happened.

ross

Okay. Seems like a fair guess.

carrie

Yeah, if you’ve got the one. Then she said Drew and I would take a step further toward marriage. Hit, definitely. Okay, then she said we would adopt another dog very soon. She said one to two years. So, the two years aren’t up yet. So far, not even looking. And she said adopt, don’t buy the dog.

ross

Well, duh. Always adopt.

carrie

Yeah. Definitely. Definitely what we would do if we were going to go get a dog. Oh, yeah. She said to tell Drew if I want to get married. Don’t hold it in. I did that.

ross

Yeah, you did.

carrie

[Laughing] On his podcast.

ross

Solid hit.

carrie

Okay, then she let me know that Ella would do fine with the new dog that I’m getting. Okay, who knows. Oh yeah, she told me not to wait another year to come see her again. That it’s like counseling, I need to keep coming back.

ross

[Laughing] Of course. So that definitely serves her purposes.

carrie

Yup. I’m gonna call that a hit. Year was fine, and all the things that she thought would happen that were bad didn’t. So, eh. Oh yeah, so then she got off on this weird tangent where she seemed to be convinced I was writing a book about Donald Trump, which I was not and am not. But, she was like, “You need to get to Bethesda this year. Get near D.C., you know, so you can really get there and with him. But, do not move to Washington, D.C.” And you know what? I haven’t.

ross

Hey. Alright, good job. Imagine all the terrible things that would happen if you moved there.

carrie

Yeah, who even knows. So let’s see. I’ve got one, two… [Carrie counts upwards to 18.] About 18 things I’m calling a miss. Hits, we got one, two, three, four… about five. Six. About seven solid hits. So, much bigger miss quota.

ross

Okay, let’s see here. Seven divided by 25, the total number. So, out of the ones that could be evaluated, eh, about a quarter were hits. Eh, not bad. Actually, bad.

carrie

[Laughs] Bad if you’re supposed to be actually telling the future.

ross

Have special dispensation from the psychic world.

carrie

Yeah. And how about you, how’s your ratio?

ross

Horatio Hornblower, he’s doing well.

carrie

Who is that?

ross

He’s uh, it’s like a fictional character, but there’s all these adventures of him on the high seas. Very few people will know that reference. Okay. [Carrie laughs.] Five hits out of 22 total evaluable statements. Little lower, 22%-23% if you want to round up. So yeah, not so great there.

carrie

And we’re also not counting up the sort of unknown ones, which probably equal in amount.

ross

Like she just got a bunch of credit for telling me that I’m a realist.

carrie

Right, and for saying that Trump is a psychopath. I agree. [Ross laughs.] Yeah, so we thought we would go back to Sister Rocky and we’d kind of go over this with her and be like, “What do you think? Why are there so many misses, what’s up?” Right?

ross

Yeah, we were looking forward to trying to see how she’d respond to this. So, turns out she did not take her advice for me to not go to New York. You came by that same storefront to see if you could see her.

carrie

Yeah! And I noticed that it seemed like the decorations were different, but I was like, “Maybe I just don’t remember it correctly.”

ross

She could have updated.

carrie

Yeah. So, but I called the number on the sign outside. I got a different woman, and I thought, “Maybe this is the same lady, but maybe I just don’t remember her voice, and—”

ross

Still a psychic shop though.

carrie

Yeah. It’s called Bella Vida’s Psychic now. So yeah, I said, “Oh hi, I was wondering what your hours are,” and she told me. And I said, “Okay, cool. And uh, I’ve been there once before, but remind me of your name?” And she said something like Laura or Gabriella. Yeah, a name that was not at all like Rocky. [Ross responds emphatically.] And I was like, “Oh, okay. The last time I went there, it was a woman named Rocky? Sister Rocky?” And she said, “Oh, uh, when did you come?” And I was like, “Uh, you know, a good year ago.” And she’s like, “Oh, okay. I know there was another psychic here, but I’d never heard her name.”

ross

Oh, weird. How does that go down?

carrie

Well, you know I went down that rabbit hole. How does that go down? [Laughs] It turns out there’s a guy named Mark Nicholas who just sort of like, buys storefront psychic shops and then rents them out. That’s how it appears, anyway.

ross

Interesting, okay. So these are just people renting out from him.

carrie

[Ross responds affirmatively multiple times as Carrie speaks.] Yeah, and I think he also fancies himself a medium. I’m only getting this from following like, a bunch of LinkedIn trails, so I might have details wrong here. But that’s certainly how it looks. Yeah, weird. So I went and found Sister Rocky’s cell phone number again, and called her, and I thought, “You know, maybe she’ll give me a phone reading or something.” This did not go the way I planned.

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[Clip of phone conversation between Carrie and Sister Rocky.] Both, simultaneous: Hello? Sister Rocky: Yes, can I help you? Carrie: Oh, sorry. I was trying to find Sister Rocky. Sister Rocky: Yes, can I help you? Carrie: Oh, right! Um, I saw you, um, uh, the last time I was in town, and you used to work at Wilton in Hollywood, right? Sister Rocky: Yes. Carrie: Are you not there anymore? Sister Rocky: No. Carrie: Are you still seeing clients? Sister Rocky: Uh, I could do a reading over the phone. What kind of reading did I do for you last time? Carrie: Um, it was like a palmistry and tarot reading. Sister Rocky: Okay, and what is your name? Carrie: Carrie. Sister Rocky: Carrie? Okay, yeah. You came in with a gentleman? Carrie: [Emphatically] Yeah! Sister Rocky: Yeah, how you doing, sweetie? Carrie: I’m pretty good. How do you remember that? Sister Rocky: Uh, because you made a blog about me, that’s why. Carrie: Okay. Alright. I wondered about that, okay. Sister Rocky: Mm, yeah. Carrie: Uh, what do you think of that? Sister Rocky: Mm. What did I think about it? I think you just like, overdid your part. Carrie: What does that mean? Sister Rocky: Meaning a lot that I was saying, you just, you know, overacted a little bit more than what I told you. Carrie: Okay. Well, I wanted to get your impression. I wrote down all the things you said would happen, and, you know, a lot of them didn’t happen. And I don’t know, I was just kind of curious what you thought about that. Sister Rocky: Mm-hm. Okay. Well, actually, I’m not there. I’m in New York City. Carrie: Okay. Sister Rocky: And as far as to do a reading like that, I don’t have time. And to tell you the truth, I really don’t want to read for you. Carrie: Okay. Well, and why do you think that so many of your predictions didn’t come true? Sister Rocky: I’m not saying that, whether they came true or not, I just said that you’re a stubborn woman, that your energy is very off. That’s why. Carrie: Okay, but I’m asking you like, last year, you know, you said that several things would happen this year that didn’t happen. Why do you think that is? Sister Rocky: You have free will. That’s why. Carrie: No— Sister Rocky: I’m just the mediator. At the end of the day, it’s based on your decisions and what you make possible, and like I said, I’m the mediator. There could be many different directions that you could go into, like I’ve told you. Carrie: Right, but some of them were things I wouldn’t have control over. Like, health things. Sister Rocky: Well, it’s based on whether you have a little bit more faith, being that you don’t have faith, and you pre-exist everything that you do and you’re a realist, there’s a difference. Carrie: So, if I did have faith, I would have gotten cancer this year, but since I don’t, I didn’t?

ross

Okay, wow. [Carrie laughs.] That was my first time hearing that. Oh my goodness. Uh, yeah. So, she hung up on you then.

carrie

Yeah. So if I had had faith, her horrible predictions about my life would have come true.

ross

So faith can kill.

carrie

That’s correct. I was saved by not believing.

ross

Huh. That’s interesting. That often comes up, like in spiritual context, you know, where people who don’t believe in ghosts don’t see them. You know, you have to believe it to see it, in many of the—not just ghosts, but many of these phenomena. You know, so it’s like, well, kind of good not to believe in it then. Then you’re not vulnerable to curses, or hauntings, or all kinds of terrible things.

carrie

Yeah. Usually this is attached to something that’s just unequivocally good, you know. Oh, you couldn’t feel the Reiki because you don’t believe.

ross

And she said something like your soul was lost, or your energy is lost.

carrie

Yeah, my energy is lost. I’m a very stubborn woman, and my energy is lost. Hey, we’re both stubborn.

ross

Boy, that was uh, that was quite the conversation. I felt my heart rate go up listening to that.

carrie

My heart rate was beating so fast afterward. I texted our friend, Chris Stedman, ‘cause I was already chatting with him, and I was like, “Oh my god, Chris, my heart, my heart!”

ross

Should have pulled up one of those apps just to see. But you handled it very well. I feel like you were way more present in the moment than I would have been, to like kind of quickly turn around and pose good questions to her.

carrie

Oh, thank you!

ross

But that was uh, yeah, that was super uncomfortable.

carrie

Oh, it was very uncomfortable. And then, so I didn’t want to spoil this for you. So you and I were texting and I was like, “Oh, I just talked to Sister Rocky, it was weird.” And you’re like, “Should I call her?”

ross

Should I call her, or would that not go so well?

carrie

[Making strained sounds] Up to you! Do you want to call her?

ross

So, interesting. So you have free will. Everybody has free will. So, essentially she just invalidated all of her readings, all of her predictions. If they go as planned, she’ll take credit for them. If they don’t, “Eh, you have free will.”

carrie

Yeah. I mean, this is always like a problem with—

ross

There’s no accountability whatsoever.

carrie

Yeah, I mean there’s some fairness to that, right? Like, an economist predicting the future would say like, “Oh, this is just like, what the—”

ross

Model shows.

carrie

Yeah, yeah, or the 2016 election, right? What happened was still within the margin of error, it wasn’t totally unaccountable.

ross

It wasn’t—FiveThirtyEight wasn’t saying there was a zero percent chance of Trump winning. There was a 12.5% chance.

carrie

And here we are, living that 12.5 glorious percent. Yeah, so that’s kind of tough, but I want more than that out of a psychic, right? If I were just going to use the models that are already out there, and reachable by sociology and economics and all these things that are actually tested and validated that there are many minds working on, then why should I turn to you?

ross

It would be fun to work out with, I don’t know, a combination of actuarial tables and measurable levels of income, and numbers of relationships in a person’s life. Like, I bet you could get some pretty good factors together, and make some worthwhile predictions. [Carrie responds affirmatively.] That might be something fun to work on.

carrie

It reminds me of a book I just read. Since I’m getting married, obviously I need to read The Science of Marriage.

ross

Oh, yeah. Obviously.

carrie

[Laughs] You need to be prepared for these things. Anyway, you know what one of the biggest predictors of whether you’ll get a divorce is?

ross

Let me think about this.

carrie

Okay. It might have been the biggest one named in the book, at least.

ross

Okay, I feel like, one avenue I’m thinking of is like, communication habits. And another thing I’m thinking of is around like, physical intimacy. Not even purely sexual, but just like, how people relate on that level. But, I don’t have anything more specific than that.

carrie

You did pick two things that are probably harder to quantify. Well, I guess physical intimacy might be easier to quantify. So, you know, I don’t know if those things were tested. But, whether you’re over 25 when you get married is like, the biggest predictor. [Ross responds emphatically with “oh”.] People who get married for the first time when they’re over 25, the divorce rate is like under 20%.

ross

Okay. Interesting. And people are generally these days waiting longer to get married, so uh, I guess that’s a good sign for marriage.

carrie

If you’re over 25 and have an undergrad degree, your rate of divorce is like, really really low.

ross

Yeah. Oh, okay. That all makes sense and resonates with other statistics I’ve heard. But my mind didn’t go there. That’s really cool.

carrie

Yeah. Anyway, I’m starting to think she’s not psychic.

ross

Indeed. So we’ve definitely got a hard pass on psychic Sister Rocky.

carrie

Yeah, I don’t think she wants to be our friend. I don’t think she’s interested in you romantically anymore, but if you want to give her a call.

ross

We could have had a great thing, psychic Sister Rocky.

carrie

Do you want to call her, or?

ross

Nah. [Carrie laughs.] I mean...

carrie

Ross thinks, he ponders.

ross

It’s not even that I’m trying to avoid the discomfort, it’s just I’m trying to think, what—

carrie

What’s the goal?

ross

—positive could come from it, yeah. Why would I want to put her through that discomfort? I think I know what will happen. Are you still telling other men that they’re going to be accused of sexual impropriety? I wonder if she’s living in New York, or she just happens to be there at the moment.

carrie

Yeah. Don’t know. But she offered me a reading, until she knew who I was, and then she was too busy.

ross

Well, I wish her well, and a different line of business.

carrie

Yeah. Me too. Maybe she should go into writing a book about Trump.

ross

And if so, she needs to move to D.C.

carrie

She—no! Bethesda. If you’re listening to this, Sister Rocky, that’s our advice. Move to Bethesda.

ross

And uh, take a different line of work.

carrie

I have an idea. For 2020, what if you and I make some predictions? Write them down on a piece of paper and see if we do as well as some of these psychics do?

ross

Okay. Now, are these gonna be like, about our lives, or are they gonna be about just the world in general?

carrie

Let’s do both. [Ross responds affirmatively.] Okay, so I’m pulling up a Google document. Okay, Ross and—do you hear me typing, listeners? This is behind the scenes shit. Ross and Carrie’s predictions for 2020.

ross

I’m trying to think what I can do that’s like, Ross would not do this on air.

carrie

[Laughs] Take a drink of water.

ross

[Fakes slurping sound.] I don’t have any water right now. I’ll take more spritzes of the stuff.

carrie

Okay, and uh, we can go girl-boy-girl-boy. So let’s see. My first prediction will be—

ross

Kara wants to try a new pizza place and see Dark Waters.

carrie

Okay, you want that to be your first prediction? Kara—

ross

That I’ll see Dark Waters. Nope.

carrie

Okay. My first one is going to be that—okay, I’m gonna go for it. I’m gonna be a little optimistic here. I’m gonna say the Dem nomination does not go to Biden.

ross

Oh. Okay. I don’t have anything particularly against Biden, but I hope that’s true.

carrie

Yeah. And hopefully not Marianne Williamson either. [Ross laughs.] But, if you’re listening, Biden or Willamson, come on the show! Talk to us about science, talk to us about eduction. Let’s do this. Anybody with a decent sized following who’s running for president, if you wanna come on the show, we’ll have you. Any party.

ross

Alright, so you’re saying not Biden.

carrie

Yeah. You wanna get more specific? Or, you could say Biden, then one of us wins.

ross

I’ll say Warren or Buttigieg.

carrie

Okay. The Dem nomination goes to Warren or Buttigieg. Which, did I spell it right? You would know.

ross

You did.

carrie

Alright! I’m gonna say a peacock makes national news. [Laughs.]

ross

That’s a great prediction.

carrie

Thank you. If it happens, oh my god, I’ll be so pleased.

ross

[Laughs] Yeah, it’s not out of the realm of possibility, but it is highly specific. It has not happened in my knowledge.

carrie

A minute. [Both laugh.]

ross

NBC redesigns logo.

carrie

Actually, I do think there was someone who tried to take a peacock on a plane as an emotional support animal, which I actually think was like, a right-wing person trying to make a point and be a dick. [Ross responds affirmatively.] But I’m not sure if that made national news or just LA news.

ross

Okay. Let’s go the earthquake route. I’m gonna say there’s going to be a major earthquake, I’m gonna say over 7.0 on the west coast.

carrie

Oh, wow. Okay.

ross

I think that is rare enough that it’s an actual prediction, and watch, it’s like a 6.9. I feel bad even saying something like that, ‘cause then I know there's gonna be property damage, and hopefully our listeners understand the lack of causation.

carrie

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and isn’t that interesting though, that we kind of put together like, “I hope that will happen” and “I think that will happen.” Those feel like the same, but they are not. Carrie. I’ll say someone close to Ross breaks a toe.

ross

Okay. Uh, I’m gonna say a new social media platform rises to like, the level of a Twitter or a Facebook.

carrie

Okay. Good one.

ross

Carrie is thankfully, furiously typing all of these things for us.

carrie

Mm-hm. Okay, I’m gonna say—this is also a little bit of me hoping along with me predicting—but my favorite person, Dick Van Dyke, he just turned 94 yesterday, as we’re recording this, so I’m gonna say Dick Van Dyke turns 95.

ross

Okay. Somebody posted that, and Carrie’s like, “Well that’s a day old, it was yesterday.” Which, of course, she would know. I always have this moment of panic like, “Oh no, it’s a headline with a picture of smiling Dick Van Dyke! Don’t tell me, don’t tell me!”

carrie

You wanna know how present that is in my mind? One time I was at Drew’s house and nothing was happening. We were just in separate rooms. And I heard Drew go, “Oh no, hon.” And I said, “Is it Dick Van Dyke?” He was like, “No, Ella got your retainer.” [Both laugh.]

ross

Okay, well, now that I’ve thought about Dick Van Dyke leaving this world, that’s okay.

carrie

That is exactly how it was! It was my night guard, and that’s like a $400 item. And so I was like, “But Dick Van Dyke is okay!”

ross

If I found out, I wouldn’t tell you. ‘Cause I know you would find out, but I would not want to be the one to tell you.

carrie

Let him be alive a few more minutes for me.

ross

Exactly. [Laughs] I can just see everyone around you like, trying systematically to—”Carrie, let’s quickly go on a week-long retreat!” [Carrie laughs.] “A silent retreat in the woods! No cell service!” Oh, let’s see, I should have been working on another prediction in the meantime. Do we want to make a prediction on the impeachment? I’m sorry everybody, we’re talking politics, this is—

carrie

Nah, it’s fine.

ross

—these are trying times. Alright, I hate it, but I’m gonna say the senate does not vote to remove Trump from office.

carrie

Think that’s safe.

ross

Yeah, I’m making a safe bet there.

carrie

Okay, I’m gonna say there is a recount, no matter what the outcome is. [Ross responds emphatically with “interesting”.] There’s a recount of the 2020 U.S. presidential election.

ross

And if that process involves a peacock, then we knocked this one out of the effing park.

carrie

An earthquake triggers a recount done by a peacock.

ross

Okay, I’m gonna say that we have our first major news about a city needing to relocate due to rising water levels.

carrie

Oh, wow. A whole city. Okay. Need to relocate because of—

ross

I mean, already there’s really bad news around Venice, yeah. I’m gonna guess there’s gonna be like, some major thing, like a bunch of people displaced.

carrie

Okay. I’m gonna say, I think that we are very, very close to an AIDs vaccine. [Ross responds emphatically.] So, I’m gonna say an AIDs vaccine is successfully sent to clinical trials. Not widely available, but clinical trials.

ross

Oh, I told you, I’m on a clinical trial myself now. [Carrie affirms emphatically.] Yeah, it’s a third stage clinical trial, looking at a potential treatment for eczema, to reduce itching.

carrie

[Sarcastic] I didn’t know you have eczema.

ross

Ha. So I’ve gone off my meds for awhile to let my foot get as bad as it wants to, just so I can start taking this drug.

carrie

Good science.

ross

Yeah, I was really excited about this, just ‘cause I want to see what the process is.

carrie

Yeah, I’ve applied to many clinical trials. But they’re always trying to isolate that particular complaint, and they’ll be like, “You don’t have anything else wrong with you, do you?” And I’m like, “Oh, get a clipboard.”

ross

I guess I’m pretty good for that, ‘cause generally I’m well otherwise. So, I’m sure I’ll have more to report about that. I’m gonna say there’s gonna be something major about malaria, like the reduction of rates of malaria. There will be some big breakthrough.

carrie

Okay, so major good news about malaria.

ross

Like, you know, drastically reduces the numbers.

carrie

Reducing the numbers of infections or deaths?

ross

Uh, let’s say deaths. Obviously the two are tied.

carrie

I misspoke earlier when I said AIDs vaccine, I just want to note, of course I mean HIV vaccine.

ross

Oh, right. It’s amazing that uh, already that infection is not a death sentence. That shows the power of medicine. Yes, there are problems within the medical community and pricing and all of that, but still we get some actual, real lives saved with medical technology.

carrie

And I feel like that’s our generation’s polio. Like, we really got to see that happen. ‘Cause I remember in like fourth or fifth grade, people would talk about HIV/AIDS a lot, and there was so much fear around it. It was just this monster hanging over the country, and now it’s like a pretty livable thing.

ross

Yeah, and I have friends who lost so many of their friends. Yeah. So, making progress.

carrie

Good job, science. Okay, I’m gonna say someone Carrie is close to adopts an amphibian or reptile.

ross

I’m gonna say that there will be some major either meme or news item or something revolving around the number 27. The number 27’s gonna have a good year.

carrie

I like it. Okay, one of Scientology’s major members, you know, public members—

ross

Yeah, one that we know.

carrie

—will defect.

ross

Speaking of which, turns out Beck is not a Scientologist. At least, as of now. There was an interview recently where he said, “Oh, there’s kind of a misconception about that, but no, I’m not a Scientologist.” [Carrie responds affirmatively.] Uh, alright. I’m gonna say we see our first cloned meat product available to the mass market.

carrie

On the consumer market. Okay.

ross

So, maybe one of the major fast food restaurants has like, a cloned meat item. [Carrie responds emphatically.] Yeah, so as opposed to something like the Impossible Burger or Beyond Meat that is a facsimile. It’s gonna be made of actual cloned or in vitro meat. Which has been kind of a holy grail of sorts, or something that’s been tested with but they haven't figured out a lot of things around texturing and mass production and stuff.

carrie

But you’re saying at a fast food joint even. Will be available—

ross

Let’s go bold.

carrie

—at a fast food joint. Cool. I think these are some good predictions. How did psychics do in general this year with predicting?

ross

I found one list that had a bunch of celebrity predictions put together by the National Enquirer. [Carrie responds emphatically.] This was at the beginning of 2019. And so, let’s see if we can even evaluate these. I don’t know if I’ll know who these people all are. Okay, this was from National Enquirer

carrie

Okay, I’m ready to Google.

ross

—and apparently they have their own stable of respected psychics that they talk to, so. They did not name exactly who was making the predictions.

carrie

Yeah, certainly it’s not just whoever was tasked with putting this blog together.

ross

Mm-hm. So, Lady Gaga will exchange vows with her fiancé, talent agent Christian Karino, after she wins the academy award for her role in A Star Is Born. Now, that’s interesting, because she did win for the song, but not for best actress.

carrie

And she and that guy split up.

ross

Okay, fail. This same prediction also says that former Today Show host Matt Lauer will announce a return to TV news with a deeply scaled down cable news program that shows how far he’s fallen.

carrie

Um, okay. “Matt Lauer returns to the public eye in daughter Romy’s TikTok videos.” [Both chuckle.]

ross

Okay, that doesn’t count. Uh, number two, Dolly Parton will reveal she’s leaving long-time husband Carl Dean, who has not been seen with her in years, exclamation mark. Boy, Shelly Miscavige hasn’t been seen with David Miscavige in many years. [Carrie responds affirmatively.] Don’t know what’s up with her.

carrie

Okay. October 1st, 2019, Dolly Parton has a new revelation about her long marriage.

ross

Yeah?

carrie

“Dolly Parton is rarely seen with her husband by her side, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t been behind the scenes for the majority of her career. Parton and her husband, Carl Dean, have been married more than 50 years, but getting to that milestone hasn’t always been an easy road to travel. In her recently released book, Dolly on Dolly: Interviews and Encounters with Dolly Parton, she shared some surprising revelations…” Here we go!

ross

Do tell!

carrie

She moved to Nashville when she graduated.

ross

Look, I don’t need her life story.

carrie

[Laughs] Right. Wow, she’s so cute. Okay. He’s very private. Well, I can tell you one thing, given the length of this article I really doubt at the end they’re gonna drop on us that they’re divorced.

ross

Yeah, do a search for the word “divorce” or “leave”.

carrie

Okay. [Laughs] “Leave the house”, okay. “Refused to leave Carl.” They renewed their vows.

ross

[Laughs] Alright, fail.

carrie

And she said that the secret to their marriage is all the time they spend apart.

ross

Fail for the psychic, not for them. Good for them. Okay, they’ve got a healthy distance. That is part of a relationship, having, sometimes, your own space. Uh, Gwen Stefani and Blake Shelton’s relationship will be torn apart after their efforts to adopt together go sour. I did not know that relationship existed. [Carrie laughs.] She’s not with Gavin Rossdale anymore? See, I knew that.

carrie

Gosh. Okay. Well, People magazine says they’re ready to wed, while International Business Times says they might not be on good terms, while Radar Online says there are wedding rumors.

ross

Well, that doesn’t count as torn apart, so, fail.

carrie

You’re right. Oh, and People says they’re more in love than ever, but can’t tie the knot just yet.

ross

Okay, so that one was wrong as well. Britain's duchess Meghan Markle will have a—that’s Meghan with an ‘h’—will have a baby girl and announce she is pregnant with a second child less than two months after the birth.

carrie

Oh, wow. Well, they did have a child.

ross

Did they?

carrie

Yeah, this last year.

ross

Okay, and it is a…?

carrie

I don’t remember. This—you know what, I’m proud of us that we don’t know.

ross

I’m actively disinterested in royalty.

carrie

Yeah, it’s not my thing, either. My mom was very into it, and was just blown away by the fact that I hadn’t been following it. “Royal baby: Meghan Markle and Prince Harry ‘almost certain’ to announce pregnancy in 2020,” says someone. Woah. Baby Archie was born in May of this year. So, she did—

ross

Oh, that was a boy.

carrie

Uh, yup. It was a boy.

ross

Okay, the prediction was that they would have a baby girl.

carrie

Okay, that didn’t happen, and as far as I know, there’s no announcement of them being pregnant again.

ross

Okay. Bradley Cooper and Irina Shayk will share news of the impending arrival of their second baby.

carrie

Fine. Okay, hang on, hang on.

ross

Okay, I’m hanging.

carrie

Oh. Well, according to LatinTimes.com, both Lady Gaga and Irina Shayk are both pregnant with Bradley Cooper’s baby. [Both laugh.] Uh, yeah. I mean, I don’t see anything about that from a reputable source, so I’m gonna say that’s not a hit.

ross

Okay. Jack Nicholson will shock the world with an unexpected comeback on television. [Carrie responds emphatically.] I think we would have heard about that.

carrie

Yeah, I don’t think he’s on TV. [Laughing] You know what came up? Angelico Houston saying, “Jack Nicholson doesn’t do TV.” [Ross responds affirmatively.] Yeah, no, nothing’s coming up at all.

ross

Wow, this is actually surprisingly—

carrie

Bad? Yeah. Not good hits.

ross

Alright. There’s more, but that’s enough.

carrie

It’s interesting. It makes me wonder what the profit model of all these things are. No one must do the thing we’re doing. No one goes back through and sees if they were right.

ross

These lists, you mean?

carrie

Yeah, it seems like what we’re doing right now, people must not do.

ross

Here we go. A new film about the life of Michael Jackson will be announced, causing panic in his surviving family about the truths it will reveal. [Carrie responds emphatically several times.] That happened, didn’t it? Hey, okay. There we go. Had to find one they got right.

carrie

Um, did it say documentary?

ross

It just said film. Yeah, that happened.

carrie

Uh, yeah. Leaving Neverland.

ross

Which I haven’t seen yet. Still on HBO, right?

carrie

Probably? It is heavy stuff. It’s tough.

ross

Was Angelina Jolie hospitalized over stress and health woes resulting from her lengthy and bitter divorce with Brad Pitt? I don’t think so.

carrie

Gosh. What a thing to have someone predict about you. Okay, Angelina Jolie hospital. Nope. Nope, hasn’t been in the hospital since 2015.

ross

Did Jennifer Aniston meet and fall in love with a handsome European acting star?

carrie

[Laughs] Um, I think I kind of looked this one up earlier.

ross

I gotta say, this is fun, just coming up with these things. Random stab at the dark for the future.

carrie

Uh, you know, a week ago she said she was open to love, but no, nothing’s—doesn’t look like anything happened there.

ross

Alright, well so far our National Enquirer psychic squad is doing less well even than Sister Rocky.

carrie

I doubt they are even talking to someone who claims they are psychic. I bet just a person sits down and writes these out.

ross

Is this the equivalent of us ordering the Reiki infused SoulMalas?

carrie

[Laughing] Totally. And speaking of which, we had a couple updates!

ross

Oh yeah! Okay, yeah. Not an official update episode, but let’s throw that one in. What happened?

carrie

Yeah, since it’s the end of the year and all. Okay, so I was finally able to get SoulMalas on the line. It took a lot of emails. I kept being like, “Please help, please help! The tuning fork is at 530 hertz, it’s not working!” [Both laugh.] Uh, and they weren’t responding, like that wasn’t an emergency. Anyway, they finally did, and they were like, “Okay, okay. Thank you. You have two options. One is you can keep the product and we’ll issue you a 50% refund, or you can return the product and we’ll issue 100% refund.” Yeah. Fair. So I was like okay, and I’m thinking like, “It’s the holidays, I don’t want to go to the post office.” So I said I’ll do the 50% refund. But, by then they had already given me the address to send the return to, which I’m not gonna say here, ‘cause it is very clearly just someone’s apartment. But that really helped me and my rabbit trail, because I found the guy who owns SoulMalas. His name is Evan Hennessey.

ross

Oh, we did see his name attached to SoulMalas, yeah.

carrie

Oh! Where?

ross

There were posts online somewhere attributed to him.

carrie

Okay. Yeah, so I actually messaged him earlier today and said, “Hi, Evan. Do you own SoulMalas?” And he said, “Hi, yes I do. How did you know?” [Both laugh.] So I need to respond to him. But uh, he is a marketing dude in Colorado who, you know, if you look at his Instagram, just seems like a nice, young man having fun.

ross

Who surrounds himself with monks?

carrie

Uh, no, who surrounds himself with beautiful women, has a six pack. Just a person who you might be picturing right now as a guy who is into marketing. [Both laugh.] No shade, per se. Maybe some shade. I really doubt that those things were blessed by monks.

ross

That’s funny, we did hear from a guy named Andrew, who wrote, “Not all monk blessings are a sham.” And he said that he sells Malas and he actually does get them blessed by monks. He took a photo of himself— [Carrie starts laughing.] —with the monk, and he is mailing us some blessed malas, so hey.

carrie

Assuming that’s not a green screen.

ross

I love this photo of him with his eyebrows raised in front of this monk with his eyes closed. Uh, but yeah, okay. We’ve got some actual blessed items coming our way.

carrie

Okay, cool. I didn’t suspect there were no monk blessed items in the world, just that these particular ones are not, and that they were drop shipped from China. Uh, did they issue you your refund yet? Do you know?

ross

Not on my credit card statement yet.

carrie

Okay. ‘Cause I also did check their Facebook page, and there are so many reviews that are like, either “I never got my stuff” or “I bought one thing and then I kept being charged by them and finally I got through to them they said that in the fine print somewhere I was signing up for a monthly package.”

ross

Yeah, thanks for the heads up on that. I had no recurring charges thankfully.

carrie

That’s good. Well, when I wrote them back and asked for the refund, I was like, “Please confirm the refund and that you are not charging my friend’s card every month.”

ross

Yeah. Oh, good call. Uh, alright, well hopefully that shows up, and you still have it, right?

carrie

Yes, I do. Ding ding.

ross

Well actually, while we’re providing some updates from previous ingestigations, related to that one, there was also our VitalTones epsiode, where we talked about the app that plays sounds for you that are supposed to take care of all kinds of things, like pedophilia.

carrie

[Laughing] Right. And the owner wrote to both of us. His name’s Uber Dogen.

ross

Seemed like a nice guy.

carrie

Yeah. Seems perfectly nice. And he actually said that he really wanted to help Drew, because he really thinks that they can sort of make headway on his CP with these Vital Tones.

ross

Okay. Ongoing investigation then?

carrie

Maybe. I asked Drew if he was up for it. At one point he said yes, now I think he’s a little more on the fence. Uh, so we’ll let him decide. But yeah, you know, this is one of those times where I feel kind of bad for the guy. Because I doubt that this works, but I also appreciate the spirit of investigation this guy clearly has. Like, he believes in it.

ross

Yeah, and he’s willing for it to be put to the test. He’s an earnest person.

carrie

Yeah. For that much, good on ya.

ross

He even opened with the line, “I’ve enjoyed listening to your program about my VitalTones therapy. I couldn’t resist, and had to naturally write something about it.” Then he followed up at length. But yeah, he seemed like he was game, and wasn’t upset with our coverage.

carrie

Right. He did say one thing in his email that made it sound like he was saying uh, pedophilia is a brain disorder just like homosexuality and I wrote back and was like, “Wait, let me be clear here, what are you saying?”

ross

Oh, goodness.

carrie

And he did, um, clarify. He said, “Pedophilia is a brain disorder, homosexuality is not. It cannot be changed.”

ross

Hmm. Well then, why’d you mention it?

carrie

[Laughing] Yeah. I don’t know. We’d have to get into a long discussion about what the word disorder means. But, anyway, yeah. I hope we get to stay in contact with him, and—

ross

Oh, yeah, okay. He didn’t copy me on that last response.

carrie

—he’s a nice guy. Yeah. In the last 19 hours, he wrote to me and said, “Hi Carrie! We have updated cerebral palsy! We hope this version will have more positive effects!” And then he asked me how my migraines are. [Ross says “aww”.] Oh yeah, and he said, “We need to know this to improve more if necessary.” So I’ll write him back.

ross

Aww. We got a new pen pal out of this.

carrie

Yeah, so he’s sincere. That’s nice.

ross

Alright, well that’s uh, at least hopefully enough updates for this year. How was your 2019, Carrie?

carrie

Pretty “dece”. How was yours?

ross

Yeah. I liked it. Lot of fun stuff that happened.

carrie

So, Sister Rocky was right.

ross

At least about that. [Carrie chuckles.] Well, uh, that’s it for our show for this year! But we’ll be excited to see you again in 2020.

carrie

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ross

Our administrative manager is Ian Kramer. We’ve got a lot of fun new investigations we’re already working on, lot of things in the works that’s coming next year. We’re excited to share them with you. So uh, help support everything we do at MaximumFun.org/donate. You can also support us by leaving a positive review, telling a friend about us, mentioning us online. I don’t know, whatever you do.

carrie

[Laughing] Uh, go buy a shirt from the Etsy store.

ross

Oh yeah. Also sign up if you’re anywhere near San Francisco, for our SF Sketchfest show. You can find that on MaximumFun.org. Under “latest”, look for “events”, and you’ll see that they’ve got our show coming up in San Francisco back at Cobb’s Comedy Club on January 21st, 2020.

carrie

2020. 1/21/2020.

ross

That sounds so futuristic.

carrie

I’m getting married that year, partly so that we will never have to do complicated math.

ross

[Laughs] Oh, nice. Alright. Interesting. I got married in 2000. It does make it very, very easy. Boy, well, when we review predictions at the end of next year, our hindsight will be—

carrie

2020

ross

[Laughs] Thank you. Thank you for indulging that. You can also follow us online, Facebook.com/onrac.

carrie

Or Twitter @OhNoPodcast.

ross

And, you know, say something nice to someone around you.

carrie

Yeah, say something nice to someone around you.

ross

Yeah. Make them feel good. Make their day better.

carrie

And we’ll see you in 2020!

ross

Bye!

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