TRANSCRIPT Oh No, Ross and Carrie! Ep. 394: Ross and Carrie Approach Apostle Kathryn Krick (Part 1)

[00:00:00] Music: “Oh No, Ross and Carrie! Theme Song” by Brian Keith Dalton. A jaunty, upbeat instrumental.

[00:00:09] Ross Blocher: Hello and welcome to, Oh No, Ross and Carrie!, the show where we don’t just report on fringe science, spirituality, and claims of the paranormal. No, no, no. We take part ourselves.

[00:00:18] Carrie Poppy: Yep! When they make the claims, we show up, so you don’t have to. I’m Carrie Poppy.

[00:00:21] Ross Blocher: I’m Ross Blocher. And today we’re going to—what are we gonna do, Carrie? Heal the sick?

[00:00:26] Carrie Poppy: We will heal the sick, we will cast out demons. And if we have time… we’ll raise the dead.

[00:00:30] Ross Blocher: We’ll raise the dead. Right after Matt Damon comes on the show.

[00:00:34] Carrie Poppy: Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, we got to call him. We got to call Matt. Matt, remind me. Matt, text me and remind me to call you.

[00:00:38] Ross Blocher: (Chuckling.) Then we’ll get to raising the dead. I’m very excited to introduce this topic and this person to our listeners. Who are we talking about today?

[00:00:51] Carrie Poppy: Kathryn Krick.

[00:00:52] Ross Blocher: Apostle Kathryn Krick.

[00:00:55] Carrie Poppy: Listener, take a moment.

[00:00:56] Ross Blocher: Yeah, remember what your life is like now before Kathryn Krick.

(They laugh.)

[00:01:02] Carrie Poppy: Exactly! This is—you remember 9/11, right?

(Ross confirms.)

This is like the reverse. Like, that was bad news. You know, you heard about September 11th.

(Ross affirms with a laugh.)

I didn’t like—personally, here’s my interesting take on 9/11. Thumbs down. I wasn’t into it from the beginning. I heard—the second I heard about it, I was like boooo!

(Ross agrees.)

Kathryn Krick, there’s some boo there. But you’re about to have a good time listening.

[00:01:31] Ross Blocher: These are the moments that shape one’s life. Like the moon landing, you remember where you were.

[00:01:35] Carrie Poppy: Exactly. I couldn’t have said it better. Yes, I remember where I was in 1969.

[00:01:39] Ross Blocher: 9/11. Bad, but you remember where you were. Okay, that’s where you’re going now.

[00:01:43] Carrie Poppy: Exactly. So, remember where you are now. Kathryn Krick, a—(sighs) okay, how would you headline write Kathryn Krick if you wrote for BuzzFeed?

[00:01:54] Ross Blocher: I’m just thinking I wouldn’t write for BuzzFeed, but—

(They laugh.)

She’s—

[00:02:01] Carrie Poppy: Sorry, listener, Mark Oppenheimer.

[00:02:03] Ross Blocher: We’re glad you’re doing the Lord’s work out there. Oh, Mark’s great.

(Carrie agrees.)

Oh, goodness. Yeah. How would I summarize it? Well, for our listeners, I’d say she’s Bob Larson, but younger, a woman, peppier. I guess. She casts out demons, and she’s quite the entrepreneur. She started up her own ministry here in Los Angeles.

[00:02:24] Carrie Poppy: Yes. So, I would say she is the TikTok healing influencer of the modern generation! You know what I mean?

[00:02:31] Ross Blocher: Oh, you were ready for this. That’s much better.

(Carrie laughs.)

Yes, that’s right. TikTok was crucial to her success.

[00:02:38] Carrie Poppy: Yes! So, she’s like the faith healing influencer.

[00:02:40] Ross Blocher: And she’s risen to prominence just within the past couple of years.

During the heat of the pandemic, she was preaching in a local Los Angeles park. Pan Pacific Park.

[00:02:52] Carrie Poppy: Six different parks!

[00:02:54] Ross Blocher: Okay, most of the videos I’ve seen were at Pan Pacific Park, right next to the Holocaust Museum here in LA. I know she also preached early on off of Mulholland Drive, but she moved around, huh?

[00:03:04] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, well I know she mentioned she went to six different parks while she was figuring out where to preach. But I think—yeah, I think mostly she was at that one place.

[00:03:11] Ross Blocher: That was the one that really caught on and had a following. And gotta thank a couple listeners who did write us both a year and two years ago to mention her. So, Ash Rudolph—who wrote us first about Kathryn Krick back in July 2021 and shared like a TikTok link and the 5F Church website. So, that’s when I first became aware of Kathryn Krick. And then I put her on our little shared doc where we keep investigation suggestions. But I knew like, okay, this is going to be good. Carrie’s going to be into this. I’m going to be into this. But then also thanks to listener Kelly Tanimura, who wrote just earlier this year and recommended Apostle Kathryn Krick.

[00:03:53] Carrie Poppy: Nice. So, in July 2021, when Ash wrote to us, there were 300 people attending 5F Church. So, still pretty small, locally.

[00:04:03] Ross Blocher: Yes, in person, that’s still true. Like, when we go there, now she has a building—and we’re going to tell you all about it. Yeah, it’s still about 300 people, maybe a little under.

[00:04:14] Carrie Poppy: Mm-hm. Yeah, so, she has this big online following, and that also started around then. That year, she started doing her video shorts, and one of them got 1,000,000 views.

[00:04:26] Ross Blocher: Yeah, and the way I heard her tell it in one interview, she was saying that she kind of taught herself editing, and that the Lord had told her that she needed to make one-minute videos! That was like a directive from God. “Okay, God! I’ll learn how to edit videos.”

And so, she had been recording her own little park moments of preaching and prophecy and casting out demons and cut it together and put it out there. And one of them went viral.

[00:04:51] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, so God tells her she needs to make one-minute videos on TikTok. And then she said, “I created and posted a one-minute video on TikTok showing God moving in power the previous year at 5F Church.” And that these healings included healing HIV and—I think a little less impressive—leg pain.

[00:05:12] Ross Blocher: (Laughs.) Well, at least she put it in that order, right?

[00:05:14] Carrie Poppy: (Laughs.) Actually, I don’t think she did.

[00:05:15] Ross Blocher: Okay! We’ll be talking about some of the things that she heals. And some of them are just downright head scratching. Some of them, a little offensive.

[00:05:25] Carrie Poppy: Yep! Totally. So, in that first video, she said she also showed people being touched by the Holy Spirit so mightily that they fell back. So, that first video, she just gets like 15,000 or so views. But the second video—that takes off! God knew what he was talking about!

[00:05:42] Ross Blocher: Yeah, that one really took off. That was April 2021. And currently—I’ve pulled up the video. It has—oh, I hate the TikTok interface.

[00:05:52] Carrie Poppy: TikTok sucks so bad.

[00:05:54] Ross Blocher: It’s awful! It’s so badly made. I’m on the video, and it won’t show me what the hit count is. It’s only when you go to search for something. And it’s at 2.6 million, and it’s from April 2021. And it’s a lady on crutches!

[00:06:08] Carrie Poppy: That’s interesting, because she said on her 30th birthday this video hit 1,000,000 views, and it was only two days after she had posted it. And her birthday’s in January.

[00:06:18] Ross Blocher: I saw another interview where she said 24 hours.

[00:06:22] Carrie Poppy: Okay, but her birthday’s in January.

[00:06:23] Ross Blocher: I think her stories change over time.

[00:06:25] Carrie Poppy: Oh, oh! Okay, okay. Maybe I’m looking for consistency where none exists.

[00:06:29] Ross Blocher: Whenever it was posted, the most popular video I’m looking at on the Fivefold Church TikTok has 2.6 million views now.

[00:06:37] Clip:

Music: Inspirational music.

Kathryn Krick: Come forward. Your time is up.

(Sudden sound of tires squealing.)

The demons do not stand the power of God.

(Dogs barking.)

And everyone are going up. See, this is the power of God.

(Scene change.)

Kathryn Krick: What are you doing to her?!

Speaker: (Monstrously.) I torment her a lot! She will not preach! She will not spread the gospel! (Screams.)

Kathryn Krick: She will preach the gospel! Your time is up! Go, now, in Jesus’ name! You must go.

(Music swells to a crescendo.)

Thank you, Jesus.

Speaker: Wow!

(Applause.)

Kathryn Krick: You are free! Praise God!

[00:07:08] Carrie Poppy: Oh yeah, this is Bob Larson shit, alright.

[00:07:10] Ross Blocher: (Chuckles.) Yeah, Bob Larson’s gonna come up.

[00:07:11] Carrie Poppy: Yeah. So, I think this was the first time that she ever cast out a demon!

[00:07:17] Ross Blocher: Oh really?

(Carrie affirms.)

Okay. Yeah, I’ve kind of gathered that she didn’t set out to cast out demons. It’s just demons showed up at her preaching and made themselves manifest. And she told them to go away, and it turned into a thing.

[00:07:33] Carrie Poppy: Yep. “On the day I cast out my first demon, I hadn’t set out to do that,” she says in her book. And that she was like shocked, because the demon had come out with such little physical effort. Which actually I—yeah, I’m starting to—(sighs) at first I thought this was just like a cynical little woman. And now I’m like, oh no, you mean it. I think she means it.

(Ross agrees.)

And I think—and now I see this version of it where I’m like, oh God. (Laughs.) You went to the park, and a girl came up to you and was shaking, and then you convinced yourself.

[00:08:06] Ross Blocher: And you’re a lifelong church girl and decided, “Oh, what do I do? This is—uh, looks like a demon! What do you do to a demon? You’d command it in the name of the Lord, Jesus Christ. Oh, it worked!”

[00:08:15] Carrie Poppy: I’m filled with embarrassment for her. Yeah. Oh my god, what if you started a church that way? And then now you just have to keep it up?! (Laughs.)

[00:08:24] Ross Blocher: Yeah, yeah. You know, these things snowball!

(Carrie agrees.)

Yeah, it’s very rare that, you know, you start out with the whole plan like, “Alright, here’s how it’s gonna go down. I’m gonna have this many followers, then I’m gonna release this, and then I’ll have this many followers.” You know, life surprises you. And yeah, it looks like life has surprised Kathryn Krick.

(They laugh.)

Carrie is yet again clasping at her forehead from both sides.

[00:08:50] Carrie Poppy: Oh no! Yeah, oh boy, it’s episode one. Who knows how long we’re talking about this?!

[00:08:55] Ross Blocher: So, I agree with your assessment that she started out fully sincere, and she might be along one of these pathways that we’ve talked about. But yeah, we’ll get into it, and I think you’ll be able to make your own decision along the way. Let’s describe her. How would you describe Kathryn Krick?

[00:09:13] Carrie Poppy: Okay, she’s 32. She’s a pretty brunette.

[00:09:18] Ross Blocher: Very pale White skin, big blue eyes.

[00:09:21] Carrie Poppy: Yep. Very, you know, classically attractive.

[00:09:24] Ross Blocher: A big, tooth-filled mouth.

[00:09:26] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, a big, wide grin, long like oval or maybe—what’s that word? Or diamond-shaped face, maybe?

[00:09:31] Ross Blocher: Okay, and a very long nose.

[00:09:35] Carrie Poppy: So classically beautiful, for sure.

[00:09:38] Ross Blocher: Yeah, pretty lady, and she feels tall to me. I don’t know if that’s true or not.

(Carrie responds with a thoughtful “hmm”.)

Because she’s always standing up on a stage above me. I haven’t stood next to her. But she’s thin, and she has I think naturally very curly hair. Sometimes she’ll straighten it out, but it’s long hair, and it wants to wave.

[00:09:56] Carrie Poppy: Wants to flounce. At least on the cover of her book, we’ve got synthetic eyelashes. They look great. Jewelry. You know, looks really put together.

[00:10:06] Ross Blocher: Yeah. That’s a good photo for the ’80s. I feel like she would have rocked it in the ’80s with that look.

[00:10:10] Carrie Poppy: Mm! Oh, that’s funny, because I was saying to you at her church the other day that the whole silhouette kind of looked like the ’80s. Like the—yeah, the background of the like bright white windows, and she was wearing kind of an ’80s outfit.

[00:10:22] Ross Blocher: I could see that, yeah. It could have turned into an ’80s music video very easily.

[00:10:26] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, exactly! And it’s also like the ’80s in that there is NOTHING NEW going on at 5F Church!

[00:10:35] Ross Blocher: (Laughs.) Okay. 5F Church. You know, it took me a little while to figure out what that meant.

[00:10:39] Carrie Poppy: Oh yeah, okay. Good. ‘Cause I—fivefold. I know that. What does that mean?

[00:10:41] Ross Blocher: Fivefold Church, yeah. Nowhere on the website do they say, “Here are the five folds of the Fivefold Church!” So, I found that this has been a term for a while, and she was kind of joining something that was already an established—not denomination, but sort of a movement. And Bethel Church, another one very interesting to us, is—

[00:11:01] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, kind of famous.

[00:11:02] Ross Blocher: —considers itself a fivefold church. I looked at the term, and it seems to have emerged kind of in the early ’80s, and it’s just been steadily growing since then and spreading.

[00:11:12] Carrie Poppy: Oh, the ’80s again.

[00:11:14] Ross Blocher: I can’t point though to a particular person or movement yet that—

[00:11:17] Carrie Poppy: Wait a minute, we emerged in the early ’80s. Fuck. Fuck, it’s us.

[00:11:19] Ross Blocher:  Uh-oh. Are we the Fivefold Church? (Laughs.) Okay. But the Fivefold Church is a reference to Ephesians 4, verse 11.

[00:11:31] Carrie Poppy: Okay. That’s the Bible, folks. Ephesians is a letter that Paul wrote. Paul was the first guy who went around being like, “Do you know about Jesus? Even though he’s dead, he’s coming back. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let’s start a whole worldwide thing.” That’s Paul.

[00:11:44] Ross Blocher: There’s a lot of books attributed to Paul that people don’t—that scholars don’t think are actually written by him. But a real—

[00:11:52] Carrie Poppy: Are all the “go eat popcorn”s still by him? Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians?

[00:11:58] Ross Blocher: Woah! I’ve never heard the go eat popcorn mnemonic!

 

[00:12:00] Carrie Poppy: Yeah. Yeah, are those all still him? Okay, okay, good. This is important.

[00:12:00] Ross Blocher: Hold on, let me check. Okay, the undisputed ones are Thessalonians, Galatians, 1st and 2nd Corinthians, Philippians, Philemon, and Romans. Oh, okay, the Deutero-Pauline epistles may be authentic. That includes Ephesians. So, okay, there is some doubt about Ephesians.

[00:12:19] Carrie Poppy: What about Colossians?

[00:12:20] Ross Blocher: Also, there in the “may be authentic”. And then the second epistle to the Thessalonians. And then the pastoral epistles are probably not authentic. Timothy 1 and 2, and then Titus.

[00:12:33] Carrie Poppy: Oh no! Timothy!

(Ross agrees.)

That’s where he’s like, “You’re young. It’s good.” Yeah, that’s how Timothy is summarized in my head.

[00:12:39] Ross Blocher: And Titus. And then the one that we’re pretty sure Paul did not write is Hebrews. I think everyone agrees on that.

[00:12:47] Carrie Poppy: Alright, but this one’s really from Paul. What did he say?

[00:12:49] Ross Blocher: It is slightly disputed. Whether Paul wrote it or not, people believed that for a long time. Ephesians 4:11 says, “So, Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors, and teachers to equip people for works of service so that the body of Christ may be built up.” So, they’ve listed five titles that sort of imply God has sort of set like these are important—

(Carrie offers “rank”.)

Yeah, ranks or roles that you fill within the church. And so, the 5F or Fivefold Church is all about equipping people to accept those spiritual gifts and fill the role of being a prophet, an evangelist, a pastor, a teacher, or an apostle.

[00:13:30] Carrie Poppy: Right. So, you start to get the sense that, oh, some of these are specialer than others.

[00:13:34] Ross Blocher: Yeah. And I’ve heard—(chuckles) I keep saying I’ve heard. I’ve been listening to a lot of YouTube videos from people like within the church and people in the church critical of Kathryn Krick. Which is interesting. There is a robust—not literature, but video-ture of people laying out Kathryn Krick for things that they consider theologically faulty.

And then you’ve got Kathryn herself and the people who are kind of on her side. And oh man, there’s just so much out there. But I have heard people kind of make the argument that it is more egalitarian than that. It’s just like what God gives you and what God calls you to do. And there’s no method of attainment or schooling to get to a certain thing. It’s just, God calls you, Carrie! You’re an apostle now!

[00:14:16] Carrie Poppy: But then that’s up to the individual to say, “No, I swear to—I swear, God said to me, ‘Carrie, you’re an apostle.’” And then everybody else just has to reality test around that.

[00:14:26] Ross Blocher: Exactly. Yeah. What do you do if God told someone privately? You just assume they’re telling the truth?

[00:14:31] Carrie Poppy: Yeah. Yeah. That they at least think this is true.

[00:14:34] Ross Blocher: How do you call that? Yeah. So, this will come up a lot in people criticizing her, and it will get even to the level of like, “(Clears throat.) Women aren’t supposed to be pastors. Paul said.” Well, hey, good news. The verse, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent”? That’s from 1st Timothy. So, that’s one of our disputed epistles. But still, people take it seriously as Paul having said that.

Anyways, so that’ll be one of the arguments, but then another argument is who are you to call yourself an apostle? Like, when we think of apostles, we think of the early church. You know.

[00:15:08] Carrie Poppy: I think of Paul!

[00:15:09] Ross Blocher: Jesus took his disciples and converted them, and it was supposed to be like people who’d had direct experience with him, right? And then Paul got in on a technicality. He supposedly didn’t meet Jesus, but he met him in his road to Damascus vision. So, he could be an apostle.

[00:15:21] Carrie Poppy: Right, Jesus came down to him in the not-flesh.

[00:15:24] Ross Blocher: And we’ve run into this before when we investigated Forerunner Ministries International.

[00:15:29] Carrie Poppy: Not to be confused with Fivefold Church, this is Forerunner (four-runner) Ministries. (Chuckles.)

[00:15:35] Ross Blocher: Yeah, we visited their church in Victorville, because they thought the end was nigh or there was something really important that was happening with a manchild being born in the heavens or something. Manchild.

[00:15:47] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The end or something like it is close, sort of.

(They laugh.)

[00:15:51] Ross Blocher: I hope that worked out for them. Anyways, the guy—I think he was presenting to us that day—went with the title Apostle, and they have men within their fault that they call Apostle. So, this is kind of a thing. And I wouldn’t have been able to tell you beforehand like what makes an apostle an apostle. Apparently it has something to do with being someone who starts a church. Like, brings it to a new land. Something related to like a founding and starting a new movement.

[00:16:18] Carrie Poppy: And this isn’t in Kathryn Krick’s creation. You’re saying that that’s how the word was originally used.

[00:16:24] Ross Blocher: Sort of the understanding of the—yeah, the word itself. It comes from the Greek Apostolos, meaning messenger, from a verb meaning to send forth. I’m seeing a dictionary definition here. “The first successful Christian missionary in a country or to a people.” So, seems to check out.

[00:16:40] Carrie Poppy: Okay, and that makes sense that it would be someone who’s sort of sent from elsewhere with this message coming here and seeding the new ministry, because she is inspired by her mentor.

[00:16:55] Ross Blocher: Yeah, where did she get the title Apostle from?

[00:16:58] Carrie Poppy: From GeorDavie Moses Kasambale, a faith healer from Tanzania, East Africa. She always points out that it’s East Africa. I don’t know why.

[00:17:07] Ross Blocher: Yeah, though that is like—on his address it says Tanzania, East Africa. So, maybe that’s just a way to refer to it. GeorDavie. Yeah, it’s interesting. It’s like one word but with a little camel case D. Yes. GeorDavie Ministries.

[00:17:23] Carrie Poppy: Yeah. So, she met him. (Chuckles.)

[00:17:28] Ross Blocher: This is wild. Yeah. This is the curve ball in her story.

[00:17:31] Carrie Poppy: Yeah. Well, first—yeah. First, let me tell you how I understood it to be.

[00:17:34] Ross Blocher: Yeah. Do we need to rewind a little bit on her before we get to this transformation or?

[00:17:38] Carrie Poppy: Oh, if you want. But I mean, I think it really speaks to why she’d call herself Apostle, I think. So, when she talks about GeorDavie, she calls him her mentor. She says that he’s still in her life. He’s overseeing this church in a way.

[00:17:51] Ross Blocher: Her spiritual father, she regularly calls him that.

[00:17:54] Carrie Poppy: Yes. Right. And she’s always saying he’s from Africa. She’s talking about his culture in Africa. She makes it sound like she went to Africa.

(Ross confirms she did.)

Oh, okay, but she makes it sound like she went to Africa and met him there.

(Ross confirms she didn’t.)

She didn’t. She met him in Los Angeles, at a hotel convention, much like we meet all of our Conscious Life Expo people.

[00:18:15] Ross Blocher: He came here in 2016 on a tour of the United States and to preach here. And she attended one of his faith healings.

[00:18:25] Carrie Poppy: And we found it! Well, Drew found it.

[00:18:27] Ross Blocher: Yeah, great find.

[00:18:28] Carrie Poppy: It’s such like an ordinary faith healing service to me. It’s just like so the norm.

(Ross agrees.)

It’s so what you and I have seen our whole lives. But she’s blown away by it!

[00:18:39] Ross Blocher: Yeah. Well, to give a little more of her backstory—she was raised in a Presbyterian church.

[00:18:46] Carrie Poppy: Oh, really?! That was my guess, and I didn’t even know that! Okay, okay. Oh, then I know exactly how this happened. Okay.

[00:18:52] Ross Blocher: She was raised in Andes, New York, which is a population 1,200. Very small town. Attended the Presbyterian church, sang in the choir, and that was her church experience growing up. Like, the numbers on the wall that tell you which hymn to open up and sing. A very different church experience. And—

[00:19:11] Carrie Poppy: Yes. That’s the church I grew up in.

[00:19:12] Ross Blocher: She wasn’t familiar with the charismatic movement. Evangelicals, all of that was new to her.

[00:19:18] Carrie Poppy: God, I’m so embarrassed for her! (Laughs.) This feels like this could have been my life!

[00:19:22] Ross Blocher: So, she wants to break into the music industry.

[00:19:28] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, she wants to be a Christian EDM musician… and singer.

[00:19:30] Ross Blocher: (Chuckling.) EDM! Electronic dance music artist! So, she wants to sing pop songs for Jesus. Great. She moves out to LA, also kind of wants to be an actress.

[00:19:41] Carrie Poppy: Yep, relatable! Oh my God. (Laughs.) Oh no!

[00:19:47] Ross Blocher: There but for the grace of God goes Carrie.

[00:19:50] Carrie Poppy: I guess so! Oof. Yeah. And she says that in high school and college, she lived a lukewarm Christian life. She loved Jesus, but she wasn’t in love with him. But she did go to Bible study and attend church twice a week! I remember thinking like this like, “I’m not one of those—I’m not really dedicated. I need to do it more.” You’re going to Bible study twice a week, girl!

[00:20:11] Ross Blocher: Oh, totally. She’s a church girl. She said she didn’t miss a single Sunday. That was me growing up.

(Carrie agrees.)

You know, you go to church. And she says her first memory growing up was when she was four accepting Jesus into her life.

[00:20:23] Carrie Poppy: Which doesn’t feel very Presbyterian. But yeah.

[00:20:25] Ross Blocher: I think I heard her say that, you know, she used to regularly go up for altar calls and stuff like that. Because yeah, when you’re sort of raised in it, it’s hard to like put a hard point on when I became a Christian.

[00:20:37] Carrie Poppy: And you can become obsessive about it. Did I really do it? Did I really give myself over? I still felt doubt. Maybe I should do it again! I should do it again just in case. Okay. I’m reeededicating myself. You rededicate yourself just dozens of times.

[00:20:50] Ross Blocher: Let’s get baptized, because then I can put a date on that!

(Carrie confirms.)

But yeah, you answer multiple altar calls. And they’re always preaching to the choir, and you’re the choir, and she’s the literal choir.

(They chuckle.)

But in retrospect, she sees this as kind of—like you say, a lukewarm faith situation.

[00:21:08] Carrie Poppy: Yeah. She said, “I guess you could compare it to how children believe in Santa. It felt like that—a belief but not a knowing. A belief in God whom I did not personally know.”

[00:21:18] Ross Blocher: But she’s got these videos of, you know, like herself as a kid. And it’s always church related. You know, like her singing at nine years old, stuff like that. So, she goes to a church service at a friend’s house, like in their living room. And the way she said it was that she encountered the power of God for the first time, and in that home church meeting, she saw deliverance. And apparently that was the first time she had seen demons being removed from people. That’s what deliverance means. When you see a deliverance church, just know that they cast out demons.

And I guess someone at that meeting also gave her a prophetic word. Kind of like we encountered at PIHOP. A lot of people are like, “I’m going to prophesy to you right now!” Like, it’s just a casual thing. “God’s speaking through me, and I’m speaking to you!” So, someone told her that God was with her and had great things in her life. That kind of message.

[00:22:13] Carrie Poppy: Right. And she kind of ignores this at first. Later, she’ll say, “You know, people were giving me these messages from God all the time, but they were confusing to me. They didn’t land. It was only later when GeorgeDavey gave me his dispensation that it all kind of fell into place.”

[00:22:28] Ross Blocher: (Sighs.) Yeah. It’s so confusing. Like, every time she tells the story—and I think both of us have experienced this. You’re like, “Waaait a second. How does this timeline compute?”

[00:22:37] Carrie Poppy: Oh my god. Yeah. I ended up making this massive chronology for her to just try to place everything.

[00:22:41] Ross Blocher: Because she’ll give these little markers, and every time she’ll say like, “Oh, and that was three years ago today.”

So, I’ll be like, okay, when did that video come out?

(Carrie agrees with a laugh.)

Continuing that story, she said a month after that home church thing, she was baptized in the Spirit. A month later.

[00:22:55] Carrie Poppy: Yes. Okay. So, everybody. Baptized in the Spirit is a second thing. This is where the Holy Spirit enters you, because you’ve really dedicated your life to Jesus.

(They chuckle.)

And no one actually sees it. It’s just in your head. So, if you happen to be obsessive, good luck to you!

[00:23:11] Ross Blocher: So, she’d already been baptized, but now she’s baptized in the Holy Spirit—like Pentecost, you know? Like, the Holy Spirit coming down upon her. And then she says nine months after that—and multiple times like she said, “Oh, it’s nine months almost to the day!”—she saw a prophet ministering. And that is GeorDavie. And yeah, Drew even found this moment in the video very quick. Like, I was scanning the rest of it trying to see her again. She was sort of toward the back, but there was one sort of close inset cut of her raising her hand in worship and being—you know, she looked like she was having a moment.

(Carrie agrees.)

Not with GeorDavie. You don’t see her like right in front of him or anything, but she’s in the audience. She’s like, “(Gasps.) This is amazing!”

[00:23:52] Carrie Poppy: Yep. Her hands are in the air. One thing I noticed in that video is that other people had shirts on that matched. They would say—I’d have to go back and look what the actual like statement was, but it was clear that this church was selling some kind of merch. And that’ll become relevant.

(Ross offers “church merch”.)

I guess it’s obvious how it’ll become relevant. She’s selling merch now.

[00:24:12] Ross Blocher: (Chuckling.) Carrie’s wearing merch.

[00:24:15] Carrie Poppy: Oh yeah! (Laughs.) I’m wearing a sweatshirt that says, “Heal the sick, cast out demons, raise the dead.” And I gotta tell you, I’ve seen her alleged to do two of the three things. I’m not gonna say which one I have seen her dooo!

[00:24:29] Ross Blocher: Guess. Just guess.

[00:24:30] Carrie Poppy: But I feel that this sweatshirt oversells a little bit.

[00:24:33] Ross Blocher: Register your guesses now. Has Kathryn Krick done: healing of the sick, casting out of demons, or raising of the dead? You can get two out of three. I’ll just let you guess.

[00:24:44] Carrie Poppy: (Laughs.) I love this sweatshirt, because I just picture it being James Randi shouting at them. “Alright! Raise the dead! Alright! Heal the sick! Alright! Cast out a demon!”

[00:24:54] Ross Blocher: “Yeah! Do it! Well, we agree!” (Laughs.) “Let’s see it!”

[00:24:58] Carrie Poppy: “I’m ready!”

(They laugh.)

It’s just a demand. Okay, anyway.

[00:25:04] Ross Blocher: Amazing. But we echo his demand.

[00:25:06] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, yeah, go ahead. I mean, I won’t yell it at her. But—(changes her mind with a high-pitched squeak) maybe I’ll yell it at her. She—I mean—

[00:25:12] Ross Blocher: Alright. Sometimes you have to yell at her to get her attention.

[00:25:14] Carrie Poppy: Yeah. And she’s got a noisy church, so it wouldn’t be that weird to yell.

[00:25:16] Ross Blocher: I was watching one video from a Christian woman critiquing Apostle Kathryn Krick, and she went to one of her services in Denver, and she was so mad at Kathryn Krick and had encountered someone that she wanted Kathryn Krick to pay attention to and kept saying like, “Here, talk to her!” And she said at one point she just shrieked, and everybody heard her and stopped. And she said, “But it worked. And finally, Kathryn Krick came over and talked to the lady.” So, she responds to shrieking!

[00:25:42] Carrie Poppy: Okay. Well, that’s a good argument. That’s a good argument!

[00:25:43] Ross Blocher: I don’t know why I’m encouraging you to do this, but here we are. To say a little more about GeorDavie—so yeah, he speaks English. So, he can come, and his English is pretty good. He says he’s learning. But you know, he can carry on a conversation. He also speaks Swahili. Those are the two languages in Tanzania. And just having watched a couple of his faith healings, he does a little bit of sort of the psychic thing where he’ll say a little bit about your past. Like, “Okay, and I’m seeing you’ve had a string of failed relationships in your past.”

[00:26:15] Carrie Poppy: And he’s walking right up to someone in particular. I noticed this too. It’s very cold reading-y, and it feels a little out of place in a Christian service. It does feel unique in that way.

[00:26:25] Ross Blocher: And he’ll put hands on someone, like on their forehead. Or sometimes even pull out oil and like, with actual oil, anoint them.

(Carrie affirms.)

Just as part of a deliverance service where he’s casting out a demon. This is something I’m familiar with. My mother-in-law has oil ready in a little vial that she—

[00:26:42] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, I think Bob Larson mentioned oil in his. Yeah.

[00:26:44] Ross Blocher: He does that too. Yup. Because the scripture does say to anoint people with oil. So, some people just take that particular piece of scripture very literally.

[00:26:52] Carrie Poppy: We should mention who Bob Larson is, because we’ve said his name a few times.

(Ross enthusiastically repeats Bob Larson’s name.)

Go back and listen to our previous episodes on Bob if you want, but he is an exorcist of renown in the United States. In Arizona in particular. And he runs an internet ministry about healing people of demons. And then he travels the country doing these seminars where people can come for a night and get their demons released.

[00:27:15] Ross Blocher: Yeah. He claims to be the most prolific exorcist in these United States. And I believe it.

(Carrie agrees.)

I don’t know who the competitor would be.

(Carrie offers “Kathryn Krick”.)

She’s on her way, but he’s—okay. Well, I’ll talk about it later, but yeah.

[00:27:25] Carrie Poppy: He likes her!

[00:27:28] Ross Blocher: He interviewed her on his show. And you know, Bob is not at all hesitant about throwing shade at other Christians that he disagrees with. So, he could have very easily found fault with something she’s saying or doing and call her out on it. But no. He’s totally on the Kathryn Krick train.

[00:27:42] Carrie Poppy: He loves pretty young women exorcising.

(They laugh.)

That’s not—I didn’t even mean to do that, but that’s probably true too!

[00:27:51] Ross Blocher: Indeed, he is known for having his own daughter and other young women cast out demons. So, clearly he has no problem with giving women authority to do this. And in that interview he even mentioned like, “If I didn’t allow women to cast out demons, that would take away 60-70% of my network of people doing deliverance for me.”

[00:28:10] Carrie Poppy: And there’s more religious women than religious men.

[00:28:14] Ross Blocher: Anyways, yeah, we’ll talk a bit more about that later. But he’s pro Kathryn Krick. And we studied exorcism underneath him, so yeah.

[00:28:22] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, yeah. Ross and I are technically like certified exorcists under Bob Larson.

[00:28:25] Ross Blocher: Those are good episodes to listen to if you want to go back, if you haven’t heard those.

[00:28:28] Carrie Poppy: Also, I release all of you from demons. You’re all fine.

[00:28:31] Ross Blocher: Yeah, it’s that easy. Which she does all the time, too. Like, at the end of a video or anything, she’ll be like, “All of you are completely released.” And I’m like, eh, I don’t know if it works that way, even in your own reckoning. What a character.

[00:28:41] Carrie Poppy: Right? Right. But I wouldn’t say something like that if I didn’t believe it. If Kathryn Krick were truly dedicated to the Lord, Jesus Christ, though, you know what she would do?

[00:28:49] Ross Blocher: Yeah, we need a test of faith here. She’d probably make like a high-quality website. That’s what the Lord demands.

[00:28:54] Carrie Poppy: A beautiful website. Maybe she has.

[00:28:57] Ross Blocher: Maketh unto me a website that is pure and holy and built on Squarespace.

[00:29:03] Carrie Poppy: Okay, I’m gonna check real quick.

[00:29:05] Ross Blocher: Thou shalt construct thy website at even sides, 12 cubits on an end. There shall be four sides, and there shall be right angles.

[00:29:15] Carrie Poppy: This is as if it were the Ark? Absolutely.

[00:29:18] Ross Blocher: Yeah. Or the Tabernacle. You know, God would give building instructions every now and then.

[00:29:23] Carrie Poppy: Question. Are you good at figuring out what website builder built a website?

[00:29:27] Ross Blocher: Well, one cheat is to go to—let’s see, 5FChurch.org. (Chuckling in genuine surprise.) Oh shit. (Laughing.) 5FChurch.org is a Squarespace website! You know what?! You did it right, Kathryn Krick! Oh my god!

[00:29:38] Carrie Poppy: Hell yes! Thank you. Thank you. She does love the Lord, Jesus Christ! She is using the all-in-one platform for building her brand and growing her church online. You can stand out like Kathryn Krick with a beautiful website! You can engage your audience. You can sell anything!

(Ross agrees through laughter.)

Healing products, content you create! Even your time!

It is a good-looking website.

[00:30:05] Ross Blocher: It is. I was going to say it’s a pro website either way, but the way I found out was I hit escape while I was on it, and it brought up the Squarespace login! Yeah!

[00:30:14] Carrie Poppy: Oh wow, there you go! There you go!

[00:30:15] Ross Blocher: I was gonna say, that’s how you can tell. But okay. So, she knows that every Squarespace website and online store comes with a suite of integrated features and useful guides that help maximize prominence among search results!

[00:30:27] Carrie Poppy: And I gotta tell you, I’m looking at it. I’m looking at the website. It’s beautiful! It’s beautiful, people. And Oh No, Ross and Carrie!’s website is also Squarespace. We haven’t updated ours in a long time.

[00:30:39] Ross Blocher: (Laughs.) It’s less beautiful, but it has our episodes. And that’s our fault, not Squarespace’s.

[00:30:43] Carrie Poppy: Exactly. And the service has been great. And the point is, they’re not discriminating. You want a website? You get a website. You get a beautiful website. So, with Squarespace, you can connect your store to vetted, third-party tools to extend the functionality of your ministry website. With Fluid Engine, a next generation website design system from Squarespace, it’s never been easier for anyone—and I mean, anyone to unlock unbreakable creativity.

(They laugh.)

[00:31:15] Ross Blocher: Start with a best-in-class website template. Customize every design detail with reimagined drag-and-drop technology. No dragons involved. It’s drag-and-drop—

[00:31:24] Carrie Poppy: And pause, drop.

[00:31:27] Ross Blocher: —technology for desktop or mobile.

[00:31:30] Carrie Poppy: So, head to Squarespace.com/ohno for a free trial. And when you’re ready to launch, just use the offer code “ohno” to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain.

[00:31:43] Ross Blocher: Squarespace.

[00:31:44] Carrie Poppy: Kathryn Krick uses it!

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[00:32:22] Ross Blocher: So, back to GeorDavie. Also, in addition to the laying on of hands and the oil, he’ll do a little bit of like witty repartee. He’ll kind of make jokes at the expense of the demon or the person. You know, like “What’s the matter? Are you stupid?” kind of thing. You know, a little bit of smack talk. And also, he gets his feet really involved in it. Like—yeah, I’ve seen multiple times where he’s kind of like pointed out his feet and said like, you know, “I’m going to kick out these demons.” And he’ll like make kicking motions at the person and do like the exorcising that way.

(Carrie laughs.)

Yeah! Strange. Another thing about him that kind of stands out is you’ll find videos and images of him wearing a big, golden crown, like a European-style crown. Feels very bling-blingy. Just stands out.

[00:33:06] Carrie Poppy: Yeah. Yeah! His website is very bling-blingy. Yeah. He has the aura of a—what do you call it? Those preachers who are like, “You can get rich!”

(Ross offers “prosperity gospel minister”.)

Prosperity gospel guy. I’m not sure if he actually is, but that is the aesthetic of the website.

[00:33:25] Ross Blocher: One of the Christian critiques that I saw of Apostle Kathryn Krick was saying that what she’s doing, and by extension he is doing, is this paranormal version of the prosperity gospel—that God wants you to have health and wealth, but she’s got, you know, this whole kind of new show and dance around it. New, but not new. As we’ve said.

[00:33:44] Carrie Poppy: Right, right. Though she calls it new wine. That’s her favorite phrase for it.

[00:33:48] Ross Blocher: Oh yeah! She keeps saying new wine. Yeah, “This is new wine, and religion doesn’t like it.” Oh yeah, she’s not a big fan of religion. Which is super annoying. (Laughs.)

[00:33:57] Carrie Poppy: She’s constantly saying she’s not religious and to leave churches that are religious.

[00:34:01] Ross Blocher: In the same breath as she’ll talk about like the spirit of rebellion and the spirits of pornography. She’ll talk about the spirit of oppression, the spirit of religion. You’ll be like, “Woah, woah, what?!”

[00:34:13] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, yeah, wait, wasn’t that your thing? You snuck in your thing!

[00:34:15] Ross Blocher: And of course, we all know how Christians will often say, “Well, it’s not a religion. It’s a relationship.” And I think she’s just kind of taken that to sort of an extreme. But come on! You know what we mean when we say religion!

[00:34:29] Carrie Poppy: Her position is that there are a bunch of churches that are too legalistic, and she’s not like that. I don’t see it. (Chuckles.) But she clearly feels that way. And one of the things that she thinks is new is that she seems to be sort of a naturally shrinking violet type. And she’s like, “I know that most preachers in this space are men with big, booming voices. And they say, ‘Get out of here, demon!’ But me, I’m this like, you know, kind of physically smaller woman with like—” You know, she’s who you cast as your ingenue, you know? “And I’m the one who’s casting out demons.” I think she finds that so unusual that she thinks it’s worth noting on. But I’m like there’s still a lot of those!

[00:35:13] Ross Blocher: Her voice may not be low in register, but it is booming! She’s being loud and commanding and forceful and taking on those aspects. But yeah, I remember what you’re talking about. And like, she was also essentially just saying, “I’ve never seen a woman do this. You know, like I expect what I think of as a pastor to be a man with a booming voice who makes really good alliteration.”

[00:35:35] Carrie Poppy: Oh, she loves alliteration!

[00:35:37] Ross Blocher: It was so funny. Like, she kept trying to like, I think, think of some other ways she could classify what it was that felt so unattainable to her that these booming large men had that she didn’t. And she just kept coming to, “You know, like they—they make alliteration! And then they—speak in alliteration!”

[00:35:50] Carrie Poppy: “And they have clever words and alliterations!”

(Ross laughs.)

“And they just—they boom around, and they walk—they stomp on the stage, and they say, ‘Get out of here, demon!’ And then they have a—like, an alliteration!” (Laughs.) It’s just like, okay, girl. You gotta write down some alliterations you like.

[00:36:03] Ross Blocher: To her, I say: Apostle, always avoid alliteration at all costs.

(Carrie offers “avenues”.)

Yeah, sure.

(They laugh.)

Alright, but there’s more to GeorDavie and her relationship with him. I saw another video of him a few years later in 2019. And there was a woman who he was talking to, and he declared her an apostle and said it was a lifetime appointment. Like, he hands these out like candy, I feel. I don’t think this is like a big thing, kind of like she built it up. ‘Cause when she tells the story, she’ll leave out everybody else around her who’s getting apostled—or labeled an apostle.

[00:36:37] Carrie Poppy: Fair. Yeah. So, this was September 1st, 2016, and God tested her commitment by having her attend a conference “where a prophet prophesied to me that I was called to be an apostle. GeorDavie said, ‘You are an apostle of Jesus Christ, and you’re called to reach the nations. I see you ministering to the masses and God doing shocking miracles through you.’” She didn’t want to be an apostle, but she said, “I couldn’t shake the conviction that it was truly God speaking through this man of God. I’ve never felt so uncertain about the future in my entire life. I couldn’t picture preaching and ministering to people, but I knew with God nothing’s impossible.”

But then she would have to go through four and a half years of a wilderness season where God tests her severely before she’s able to make this happen.

[00:37:23] Ross Blocher: this happen. Okay, so eventually she does go to Africa, to Tanzania in East Africa to meet GeorDavie, to go to his church. And this is where it becomes very clear that she’s doing her best to clean up her internet past, to anticipate her critics, to make these things harder to find. So, as we’re learning about all this stuff and like tracking down these criticisms, you’ll find that a lot of videos have gone unlisted, have gone missing, on both sides of this. So, things that are just uncomfortable to her—

[00:37:58] Carrie Poppy: Speaking of which. If you want to criticize someone, always download their shit. Don’t link to their YouTube video and expect them to keep it up while you criticize them. (Out of the corner of her mouth.) Think about this, people! Think it through.

[00:38:08] Ross Blocher: It’s frustrating. Indeed. It’s something we do all the time, downloading YouTube videos. Because these things aren’t forever, and they’re not backed up on the internet archive.

[00:38:18] Carrie Poppy: Mm-hm! Mm-hm! Gotta download it, people.

[00:38:19] Ross Blocher: So, there was this one channel, called Truth Exposed, that did a series called Kathryn Krick Exposed and various exposed videos. And then she replied to it, and I think tried to like spam the search engine optimization to make sure that like, if someone searched for her name and “exposed”, it would bring up some of her sermons that had “exposed” in the title and “exposing”.

[00:38:38] Carrie Poppy: And then she also responds directly. Yeah, we’ll talk more about her critics and her responses to them, but there was some really interesting stuff in that video. But take us back. Take us back to when she goes to Africa.

[00:38:49] Ross Blocher: Okay. I found this through one of those YouTubers. And unfortunately, their original video had gone missing. But they had linked to a now unlisted video on GeorDavieTV, and there’s two videos of her in Africa speaking to his crowd.

So, here’s one from March 2017 of her looking like she’s just gone to prom.

(Carrie agrees.)

I’ll insert a few clips here but skip through it a bit.

[00:39:17] Clip:

(As Kathryn speaks, a interpreter translates her speech into Swahili.)

Kathryn Krick: Hello, everyone!

(The crowd calls “hello” back.)

Asante sana for having me here.

(Applause and cheering.)

Daddy, Asante sana, sana, sana, for inviting me.

Asante sana, sana, sana, sana, sana! (Chuckles.)

(Huge cheers.)

I’ve never felt so honored in my life to be here before you, to be invited by Daddy. I’ve been waiting to come here ever since September, when I met Daddy.

(Inspirational music fades in.)

And I have never seen the power of God like I did when Daddy was ministering. I had the greatest honor of having dinner with Daddy and other members from the church and Pastor David the following day. This is where Daddy delivered prophetic words that completely changed my life. This is when my eyes were opened to how much God loves me from what I can comprehend. I knew it was my destiny to be a part of GeorDavie International Ministries.

(Cheering.)

The reason my heart really burns for this ministry is because in America, it is very rare to see the power of God in churches. Most of my friends didn’t know that prophets exist today. So, for you to have the prophet of prophets as your leader, I consider you the most favored people in the world. I don’t say these words lightly; I mean it from the bottom of my heart. And I think—I think that you have had Daddy for a long time. I think it might be time for you to share him with America!

(Cheering.)

Maybe permanently, forever. (Giggles.)

[00:41:44] Ross Blocher: So, a little creepy that she calls him Daddy. But you know, there were a lot of other Christian videos pointing that out, saying it’s uncomfortable.

[00:41:54] Carrie Poppy: Oh, yeah, yeah. For American ears.

[00:41:54] Ross Blocher: But apparently—right. That is more of a cultural thing, a sign of respect there.

[00:41:59] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, yeah. I know there was famously—I was just looking him up. Marcelino Manuel da Graça, a faith healer around there who is also called Daddy. So yeah, that seems more common then.

[00:42:09] Ross Blocher: And she also calls him Baba. You know, same idea. You know, that’s fine. I don’t get any sense that there’s any kind of sexual thing going on or anything like that.

(Carrie agrees.)

That video was interesting, but there’s another one that I think is even more telling.

She appeared on stage at least two other times.

(Carrie clarifies “in Africa”.)

At GeorDavie Church. And yeah, it’s massive. There’s thousands of people in the audience.

[00:42:30] Carrie Poppy: You’re thinking 2017 or thereabouts.

[00:42:33] Ross Blocher: Yeah, I’m assuming— That first video was posted in March of 2017 on GeorDavie’s YouTube. So, I’m assuming she didn’t make multiple trips out to Tanzania.

(Carrie agrees.)

So, assuming that was all at the same time, she’s wearing a bright red dress. She’s on stage with women around her. And they’re all being anointed, and the implication is—we don’t see all of it, but I assume the other women are also being made apostles.

[00:42:59] Carrie Poppy: Yes. Yeah. We got to find them! Who are they?

(Ross agrees.)

Yeah. Oh, non-zero chance they’re listening to this. Don’t you think?

(Ross concedes it’s possible.)

She isolates herself from all her former friends.

[00:43:10] Ross Blocher: Hello, if you’re listening.

[00:43:11] Carrie Poppy: Hello. If you’re there, we’d love to talk to you.

[00:43:13] Ross Blocher: Yeah. So, I can already think of five women in videos that I’ve seen him anoint as apostles—he, the prophet. Which in my mind does seem like the higher rank, like a prophet over an apostle.

[00:43:23] Carrie Poppy: Yes. I think so too. I get that impression. And then vessel’s at the bottom.

[00:43:26] Ross Blocher: That’s funny. She uses the word vessel a lot and considers herself a vessel. I think that’s just anybody who gets filled with God.

[00:43:31] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, that’s entry level shit.

[00:43:33] Ross Blocher: I think she still considers herself a mere vessel, of course, in all humility.

[00:43:38] Carrie Poppy: Of course! (Out of the corner of her mouth.) But she’s also an apostle, which is not as good as a prophet.

[00:43:40] Ross Blocher: Oh, oh my goodness. It’s so—it’s so hard to follow a linear line with her. ‘Cause I keep wanting to get drawn into all these other little side discussions about her talking points. ‘Cause that’s a big thing, where she’s constantly trying to draw any attention away from herself. “It’s not about me, of course!” Because she’s heard her critics say it’s all about her. And it clearly is, but she always wants to be saying, “Oh no, but it’s really about Jesus, of course. You know, I’m incidental in all of this.”

Anyways, she’s on the stage. Red dress.

(Carrie offers “2017” with a chuckle.)

We need to redress this issue. GeorDavie goes to anoint her and holds the bottle—it looks like a wine bottle, but I think it has oil inside of it. Holds it over her head and is starting to tip it as he speaks that he’s going to anoint her.

[00:44:22] Carrie Poppy: She has her eyes closed.

[00:44:23] Ross Blocher: She has her eyes closed. And she falls over backwards.

[00:44:26] Carrie Poppy: Perceiving the oil on her head, which is not there.

[00:44:30] Ross Blocher: Oh, I guess it’s already happened. So, she falls backwards. Someone catches her, and GeorDavie is like, “Yeah, bring her back up.”

[00:44:35] Carrie Poppy: (Casually.) “Bring her back up. Pop her back up.” (Laughs.)

[00:44:37] Ross Blocher: And then keeps talking. And then finally she gets, you know, the oil on her head. Oops!

[00:44:42] Carrie Poppy: She was overwhelmed by the spirit too soon!

[00:44:44] Ross Blocher: Yeah. Okay. That’s—I mean, sure. Maybe she was just feeling the spirit so heavily, but it seemed like a missed cue.

[00:44:51] Carrie Poppy: Probably thought it was oil. Yeah, totally.

[00:44:52] Ross Blocher: And this video has since been scrubbed. The only way we can see it is from her critics having—thankfully, some of them downloaded it!

[00:45:00] Carrie Poppy: Downloaded it! Great job! You gotta download it.

[00:45:04] Ross Blocher: And then, when we investigate it, say, “Hey, guess what, Ross and Carrie? I saved a bunch of videos from this thing. You want me to send them to you?” And we’ll be like yes, please!

[00:45:09] Carrie Poppy: Exactly! Exactly. Gatekeep, gatekeep.

[00:45:14] Ross Blocher: You’re a daisy. Thank you. Okay, so then later on, after they’ve been anointed, she gets the mic and she just goes off in Kathryn Krick mode as only as she can, and starts laying praise upon GeorgeDavey saying:

[00:45:27] Clip:

(As Kathryn speaks, an interpreter translates her speech into Swahili.)

Kathryn Krick: Baba, we’d like to plant a seed at your feet. Baba, we want to be used to reach all of the people of Los Angeles to bring them to you.

We want—there’s so many people hurting in LA. There’s so many people hurting. And across America. And we want God to use us to reach them and to bring them to you, so that they may be healed and delivered and be directed into God’s will for their life. We don’t want to keep this to ourselves. We want to share this with the world.

In all of this joy that you see in all of us and this transformation, it is only because of you, Baba. We would be nothing without you. We know and recognize that you hold the keys for America and only you. As John the Baptist declared, “There’s someone greater than me coming.” We want to be used in that apostolic way.

We want God to have people’s eyes be open to the words we’re speaking, that they may hear and come to this conference and to this ministry and receive you, receive the real Jesus, and receive from the real Jesus through you. We give ourselves; we lay down ourselves, we surrender and submit to you that God would use us to serve you and to help fulfill your vision.

We plant this seed at your feet, Daddy, for God to have our way with us, to serve you. We want the world to know you. We want you to be famous, so that the real Jesus—who is full of love and power—may be known. They will not know the real Jesus unless they know you! He’s choosing to use you for the world to see him and to know him. Asante sana, Baba. We love you so much. Asante sana for being our father. We love you.

GeorDavie: Oh, I bless you.

[00:47:41] Carrie Poppy: Very fawning.

[00:47:41] Ross Blocher: Very fawning. And at the very end, they bow before him. This is where a lot of people in the church criticize her and say, “Okay, you’re saying things like people can only find the real Jesus if they know you, GeorDavie?! What the hell?! Of course not! Jesus is the way!” And then, you know, calling him Daddy. That just—it sounds weird in a sentence when she’s, you know, saying these things that sound kind of infantile. It’s uncomfortable. It makes me uncomfortable listening to it. So, she has a video where she responds to these criticisms.

[00:48:15] Carrie Poppy: And then she and the other women lay some, quote/unquote, “seed money” at his feet. And—

[00:48:21] Ross Blocher: We know where she got the seed idea.

[00:48:22] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, so she’ll talk about this in church later, but it’s the idea that you give some money to God and he, you know, makes it fruitful and multiplies it and brings it back to you so you become rich, or your organization prospers or whatever it is. So, these three women put seed money at his feet for the ministry they’re going to take back to LA. And yeah, the critics didn’t like that either. You know, laying money at his feet, bowing, saying all these nice things to the preacher instead of to God.

[00:48:49] Ross Blocher: Right. And so, she and other defenders that I’ve seen will say, “Okay, well, this is cultural stuff.” And they can point to scripture, as I’ve seen them do, of you know, someone bowing before Elisha. And look! You know, God didn’t rebuke them for that. That’s fine. Even though Jesus wasn’t cool with people bowing to him. Whatever.

[00:49:07] Carrie Poppy: Mm-hm! “Why do you call me good? Only God is good.”

[00:49:08] Ross Blocher: The level of just scriptural picking tiny pieces and moving them around involved here is staggering. But yeah, a lot of critics responded to this. And then Kathryn Krick had her own response video to all these exposed videos. And she said, “Okay, some of these things are cultural, like the bowing, like calling him Daddy.” But she said, “You know what? Other things, I agree with you. I said those totally wrong, and I—”

(Carrie offers “denounce them”.)

Yeah! I denounce them!

And I was like, okay. To your credit, you said, you know, “I take the criticism. That’s not what I meant.”

[00:49:42] Carrie Poppy: She prints out her own words, and she’s looking right at them, and she says, “Okay, I said—you know, that no one can—”

[00:49:49] Ross Blocher: People can only know Jesus through you, and that’s wrong.

[00:49:52] Carrie Poppy: “Okay. I denounce that.” There is one point where she kind of says, “Well, I’m looking at this, and I don’t hear it the way you hear it, but listeners are obviously hearing it this way. So, I’m going to denounce that too.”

[00:50:03] Ross Blocher: Yeah. I’ll give her marks for that.

[00:50:05] Carrie Poppy: Sure. I’m not really particularly bothered by that part of it. To me, that’s like the same as giving yourself over to God. You know, it’s just like, well, you’re giving away your autonomy to a rando. I don’t know!

[00:50:17] Ross Blocher: It’s so funny. ‘Cause you know, none of these are my horse to bet on. Because, you know, I’m not trying to defend any of this theology.

(Carrie agrees.)

And up to this point, all of the criticism I’ve seen has come from other Christians. So, it’s kind of funny to ride alongside and see them pointing out certain things about her. And some of them I’ll be like, “Oh, oh, good observation. Good point.” Some of them I’ll be like, “Well, that’s your doctrinal thing. Yeah. Good luck working out the dogma here.”

(Carrie agrees.)

She also does keep saying that “You know, I was just a baby Christian at the time. I was a baby.” And I’m thinking you’ve been in the church your whole life!

(Carrie confirms.)

But you know, she’s new to this whole build of the spirit thing.

[00:50:51] Carrie Poppy: But she grew up in the Presbyterian Church. This is all making sense to me now! Because the Presbyterian Church is pretty antiseptic. Like, we didn’t speak in tongues. That would have been very unusual. No one does faith healing. That’s all like weird stuff. And I remember feeling like she felt. Being like, “Well, I’m reading the Bible. It talks about healings! It talks about tongues! Why aren’t we doing this stuff?” And feeling uncomfortable about it.

So, when I did first encounter it in college, I had this sort of revelatory like “Finally!!”

[00:51:22] Ross Blocher: “Oh, someone’s taking this seriously!”

[00:51:24] Carrie Poppy: But I didn’t, um, start a ministry.

[00:51:26] Ross Blocher: Thank goodness. Unless this podcast is a ministry.

[00:51:30] Carrie Poppy: Then you start faith healing people.

[00:51:33] Ross Blocher: (Laughs.) One thing leads to the next!

[00:51:34] Carrie Poppy: Yeah. And then you’re really doing some damage.

[00:51:36] Ross Blocher: So, there was one more video of her in a different blue dress that was a second anointing. And it was just her and—

[00:51:44] Carrie Poppy: (Laughing.) Yes. I don’t know why they do this twice.

[00:51:46] Ross Blocher: This time she didn’t fall over early. You know, she waited around for the oil to actually hit her head.

[00:51:52] Clip:

(As GeorDavie speaks, an interpreter translates his speech to Swahili.)

Music: Peaceful piano.

GeorDavie: I want to anoint her once again. Come here for a new level. This is a complete new level of the power and the anointing of God. I release the power to change environment, to change anything in people’s life. Receive it in Jesus’ name. It is yours. It is yours. It is yours. It is yours. It is yours. It is yours. It is yours.

[00:52:32] Ross Blocher: Interesting that he’s like, “Oh, this is up to another level.” What does that mean? But okay, sure, there’s levels to it. I don’t know; it sounds phony to me!

[00:52:40] Carrie Poppy: I wonder if there just wasn’t any oil the first time, and the second time he got the oil.

[00:52:43] Ross Blocher: Oh, like having to redo Obama’s swearing in, because the Chief Justice had switched some of the words? You remember that? Oh, yeah. When Obama was sworn in, Chief Justice John Roberts felt that he was making like a verbiage correction on the oath of office and switched two words. And you could see Obama sort of pause and be like, “That’s not what you were supposed to say.” And later on, they had to do the second swearing in just to make sure it was official. (Chuckles.)

[00:53:12] Carrie Poppy: Oh, wow. Well, what a revelatory moment that Obama spotted it. Constitutional scholar.

[00:53:16] Ross Blocher: I think that he—yeah, right, that he knew it word for word. Anyway, so yeah, I don’t know if it was something like that or why he needed to take her to a second level. But yeah, she went to Tanzania and experienced his church firsthand and spoke, but now she’s really emboldened. She knows that revival’s coming to Los Angeles. It’s been there before, but it’s coming back again, I guess!

[00:53:40] Carrie Poppy: It’s coming back. And so, basically the revival in America is going to start in Los Angeles. Which implies her. So, she’s—you know, we’re implying here that she is the American mouthpiece of God.

[00:53:50] Ross Blocher: Yeah. She started doing her services on the hill on Mulholland Drive in 2017. So, she would play the keyboard—she says badly—and kind of sing and lead the worship on her own.

[00:54:01] Carrie Poppy: Oh yeah, I have her with a 20-person congregation in 2017.

[00:54:05] Ross Blocher: When she first started, sometimes it would be five people. And one time she was just glad one hiker stopped by and came to listen and said that they enjoyed it.

[00:54:15] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, it looks like 2017 she had a 20-person congregation. 2018, a 15-person congregation. 2019, 10 peopleee! And 2020, two people.

[00:54:23] Ross Blocher: So, okay. So, at this point it’s just like a home study group.

[00:54:28] Carrie Poppy: Oh, and she lost half her members around then. Like, there was some big falling out, and like 10 of the 20 people disappeared. She just won’t—so far, I haven’t found her talking about the details.

[00:54:37] Ross Blocher: Any details about that. Okay, interesting. But then, as we all know, she goes viral in 2021. And now everybody’s sharing her TikTok videos. And it takes a little while. She said it was like a few months. But then there was like one day when all of a sudden four people from out of country showed up or they traveled a long distance to come see her. And that was like her second big moment. So, she had the blow up on TikTok with that one video around her 30th birthday. And then she had like 300 people come on May 30th, 2021.

[00:55:09] Carrie Poppy: That’s right! A week before there were 70 people. So, May 23rd, 70 people. May 30th, 300 people.

[00:55:15] Ross Blocher: That’s like a fivefold increase!

[00:55:17] Carrie Poppy: Heeeey! Wait a minute.

[00:55:19] Ross Blocher: It’s fourfold. But. (Giggles.)

[00:55:20] Carrie Poppy: It’s close though. It’s close. It’s a 4.5-ish increase! Oh, Ross is figuring it out, people. Please, we’re going to get the decimal. (Chuckles.)

[00:55:28] Ross Blocher: No, no. I’m working on the alliteration.

[00:55:33] Carrie Poppy: Okay, 4.5fold. 4.5fold ministries. (Laughs.)

[00:55:38] Ross Blocher: Yeah, I was looking for a word for growing rapidly that started with an F.

(Carrie confirms.)

Fulfillment. 4.5Fold Fulfillment. Look at these booming men with their acronyms!

[00:55:52] Carrie Poppy: (Laughs.) So, right after she met GeorDavie here in the US, it seems like they kind of immediately set up—

[00:55:59] Ross Blocher: Some sort of a business relationship?

[00:56:01] Carrie Poppy: Well, set up a nonprofit with the IRS.

[00:56:04] Ross Blocher: So, he’d already set it up before he met her. And she got incorporated into the Fivefold Church that he had set up as—

(Carrie offers “GeorDavie Ministries”.)

—as a 501(c)(3) in Beverly Hills. And he was like the president of it. And then by the end of 2016, now she’s the secretary. And she’s the secretary for two years, and then becomes the director in 2018.

[00:56:28] Carrie Poppy: So, in 2016, they declare $6,000 in income. And that’s going to skyrocket after Kathryn Krick blows up.

[00:56:37] Ross Blocher: Blows up. We kept finding instances, like in those early financial filings and some newspaper records, of her name being spelled Kath-er-ine.

[00:56:46] Carrie Poppy: The more typical way, K-A-T-H-E-R-I-N-E.

[00:56:49] Ross Blocher: But now we’re pretty sure those were just misspellings. She’s always spelled it Kathryn.

[00:56:54] Carrie Poppy: K-A-T-H-R-Y-N.

[00:56:57] Ross Blocher: But I’m really curious. Because it would be so apropos if she had been named after Kathryn Kuhlman, the famous US faith healer in the like ’40s to ’70s, who spelled her name K-A-T-H-R-Y-N, and then Kuhlman—same initials, KK—as Kathryn Krick. I don’t know. Just seems interesting. That might’ve inspired—you know, even Bob Larson in the interview, he says, “Oh, like Kathryn Kuhlman? Do you consider her a hero?” ‘Cause he was asking her about her heroes.

And you know, she did the right answer first and said, “Well, of course, Jesus is my only hero.”

(Carrie affirms knowingly.)

And he says, you know, “Oh, are you trying to be kind of like Kathryn Kuhlman?” And it seems like he was almost laying out a little, “Are you going to fall into this trap?”

And she sort of laughs and says, “I’m trying to be Kathryn Krick.” Yeah, smooth. Smooth.

[00:57:48] Carrie Poppy: Ah, nice! Nice alliteration. Oh! Alliterative name!

[00:57:50] Ross Blocher: Oooh, yeah, like a Marvel superhero!

[00:57:54] Carrie Poppy: And she loves alliteration.

[00:57:55] Ross Blocher: Yeah, Kathryn Krick. Well done!

[00:57:57] Carrie Poppy: You would think she’d be better at it. Oh, I hope her middle name doesn’t start with K!

[00:58:05] Ross Blocher: (Laughing.) Me too! I’m sure it doesn’t.

[00:58:10] Carrie Poppy: Too alliterative.

[00:58:11] Ross Blocher: Yeah, that’s right. You can be too alliterative in some cases.

[00:58:15] Carrie Poppy: In some K-ses. Okay, I won’t keep at this at this joke. I feel—no, I feel it’s about to go off the tracks. (Laughs.)

[00:58:25] Ross Blocher: But also, I think even at the time Kathryn Kuhlman was seen as kind of the latest incarnation of Aimee Semple McPherson, who—very close by to where Kathryn Krick is doing her thing—founded the Foursquare movement.

[00:58:38] Carrie Poppy: And then there’s the Azusa Street Revival. That’s near where Kathryn is set up now. Another revival in LA. Yeah.

[00:58:45] Ross Blocher: Look, folks, LA is a major spiritual center of the nation. So, it’s very convenient for our podcast.

(Carrie agrees.)

It’s so easy to get sidetracked with this woman, because there’s so many like fascinating things about her. My brain keeps shooting off in all these different directions.

(Carrie agrees.)

But all of this was just preamble to setting up who this person is! But we went to see her. And—

[00:59:07] Carrie Poppy: Yes. We went to see her, and by sheer coincidence, we went to see this faith healer the very week—

[00:59:15] Ross Blocher: What do we need to have healed, Carrie?

[00:59:17] Carrie Poppy: The very week I break my toe. In half!

[00:59:19] Ross Blocher: I mean, this could be the setup of a story of God speaking to you.

(Carrie agrees.)

Breaking your foot like God does.

(Carrie corrects him to toe.)

On a Monday, so that you can go see his apostle in Los Angeles, where you live.

[00:59:36] Carrie Poppy: Kathryn Krick, the next Sunday. Six days later. Also, I should say it wasn’t really broken in half. It was just broken.

[00:59:42] Ross Blocher: But Carrie will make the telling of her toe story sound more dramatic.

[00:59:48] Carrie Poppy: Heeeeey! Don’t listen to Hidden Mickeys if I don’t tell you to!

(They laugh.)

[00:59:52] Ross Blocher: You sent me the link!

[00:59:53] Carrie Poppy: Oh, okay. I told you to.

[00:59:55] Ross Blocher: And I did. And yeah. Drew had a—

[00:59:57] Carrie Poppy: I’m very brave! I said, “Drew, get on the microphone! Tell the people!”

[01:00:02] Ross Blocher: (Laughs.) Yeah. Drew had a different narrative about how this whole toe story went down.

[01:00:04] Carrie Poppy: He has a rebuttal. Well, I do have a broken toe.

[01:00:08] Ross Blocher: Well, I’ll say, with Drew—as I mentioned on the podcast—I didn’t buy the 100 pounds, but—

[01:00:13] Carrie Poppy: It’s a looot of cat shit. It’s a lot of cat shit.

[01:00:15] Ross Blocher: I buy that it’s a lot of cat shit. (Laughs.) So, yeah, if you want to hear Drew’s full rebuttal, it’s on Hidden Mickeys.

[01:00:21] Carrie Poppy: He says it’s 24 to 45 pounds.

(Ross affirms.)

(Grumpily.) I don’t think that’s right. 50 pounds, minimum.

[01:00:27] Ross Blocher: And this is so Carrie too. I know the next time the cat bag is full, there’s going to be a scale brought out.

[01:00:35] Carrie Poppy: Oh! Do you know Carrie?! Because that was Drew’s idea.

(Ross laughs.)

Drew specifically said, “I’m gonna get it out. I’m gonna get a scale.”

[01:00:43] Ross Blocher: You know what? That’s a good point. If Carrie was confident she was right, she would get the scale.

[01:00:46] Carrie Poppy: No, I was like, absolutely, hon. But it was Drew’s idea. And I said, yeah, 100%, let’s do that. Yeah. (Playfully petulant.) So, maybe we’re just perfectly matched!

[01:00:53] Ross Blocher: So, more to come. (Laughs.) You know what? That’s a true statement.

(Carrie thanks him.)

Do you now agree with the three bags total?

[01:01:03] Carrie Poppy: That I can buy. That I can buy, that I just don’t remember correctly. But—

[01:01:08] Ross Blocher: The important thing for this story is that Carrie had her three middle toes bound together to protect the middle-est of them.

[01:01:16] Carrie Poppy: Yep. Because it’s broken. And I went to a Doctor of Medicine, and he took an x-ray and said, “That’s a broken toe, lady.”

[01:01:22] Ross Blocher: Okay, so that’s something that sounds like it needs fixing. You’re on crutches. Yeah, I pick you up to go to Kathryn Krick’s service at the Fivefold Church at 300 South Mission Road in Los Angeles, less than two miles away from Skid Row.

[01:01:39] Carrie Poppy: Extremely close to where Drew used to have his studio, where someone got shot in the head outside.

[01:01:44] Ross Blocher: In a converted warehouse built for heavy manufacturing. That’s what the building was made for, either in 1926 or 1950. I saw two origin dates for that building. But it is clearly a converted warehouse. And you know what? We’re gonna have to wait ‘til next time to tell you the whole story!

[01:02:02] Carrie Poppy: But can I just tell them whether my toe is healed? Or do you want me to save that?

[01:02:08] Ross Blocher: Sure! The first amendment protects your right. (Chuckling.) If you want to tell—yeah. Do you want to make them wait to find out if your toe is miraculously healed? That’s up to you!

[01:02:17] Carrie Poppy: Well, I’ll give you this hint. We go back again.

[01:02:22] Ross Blocher: That’s true. The following Sunday, we’re back.

[01:02:25] Carrie Poppy: And it’s not to say, “Oh my god! You did it!”

[01:02:26] Ross Blocher: So, we’ve now seen Apostle Kathryn Krick minister. It is a long service each time. It puts Mormon Church to the test.

[01:02:37] Carrie Poppy: It’s the freaking dead middle of fall/winter. The days are short. It gets dark at like 4:30PM.

[01:02:45] Ross Blocher: And the church starts at 1PM.

[01:02:48] Carrie Poppy: She is taking up the entire day on a Sunday! In the winter! Fall/winter!

[01:02:55] Ross Blocher: Though, counterpoint, it is the Lord’s day, Carrie.

(Carrie disagrees.)

What I want to know is why is it so late in the day?

[01:03:05] Carrie Poppy: Thank you. If you’re gonna do this, if you’re gonna have like a three-and-a-half-hour service, get me there at 10, 11.

[01:03:10] Ross Blocher: Something tells me—again, we’ve talked about how leaders can influence their congregations, their religions—to use that word she hates—with their particular pet peeves and peccadillos. Something tells me that she never liked showing up to church as early as she had to and said, “You know what? I’m not going to do that to others. Let’s make it one o’clock. Give us a nice cozy morning. Don’t have to worry about getting out of bed at 7AM.”

[01:03:33] Carrie Poppy: However, she did release one YouTube Live recently where she was complaining about people not coming to church on time. It was on November 29th, 2023. She did this livestream I attended (chuckling) where she was calling her followers lazy for not coming to church on time and really chastising them.

[01:03:52] Ross Blocher: Yeah! Well, if you make it 1PM, come on, people! I could see it if it were 8:30AM. You know, because churches will often have like the 9AM service, and then they’ll have the 10:30 service for, you know, Johnny-come-lately who, you know, just rolled out of bed.

[01:04:07] Carrie Poppy: Yeah, she’s trying. But listen, you’re the TikTok minister. Okay? Like, you got people who were looking at an app where they were like, “Here’s two people dancing. Oh, now there’s a lady healing people for one minute. Oh, now I’m at like some guy who’s talking about narcissistic abuse.” That’s what TikTok is! It’s a mess! Those are the people you’re drawing! Of course, they’re not on time!

[01:04:28] Ross Blocher: So, we can’t wait to tell you more about this. But if you’re enterprising, you can find some of her livestreams from her recent church services. And if you look closely, you might see us.

[01:04:38] Carrie Poppy: You might! Well, that’s it for our show. Our theme music is by Brian Keith Dalton, who I talked to this week. Hi, Brian.

[01:04:44] Ross Blocher: Hey, Brian! Our administrative manager is Ian Kremer.

[01:04:46] Carrie Poppy: This episode was edited by Ross Blocher.

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[01:05:07] Carrie Poppy: We will return nothing to you except audio.

[01:05:10] Ross Blocher: Oh yeah. We should scrupulously avoid using the word money and just always say seed. So, sow your seed at MaximumFun.org/join.

[01:05:17] Carrie Poppy: Mm. That’s interesting. That’s what my mom always called, uh, cum.

(They laugh.)

When we had a rabbit.

[01:05:24] Ross Blocher: Oh, his seed.

[01:05:25] Carrie Poppy: When we had a male rabbit, he was always humping stuff, and then seeds would come out.

(Trying not to laugh.) You can leave us a positive review wherever you’re listening to this. Five-star reviews only.

[01:05:39] Ross Blocher: Fivefold reviews.

[01:05:40] Carrie Poppy: Just kidding, you can leave an honest review, because I don’t read them.

[01:05:44] Ross Blocher: But I will.

[01:05:45] Carrie Poppy: But Ross will, so maybe five stars. Listen, figure out your personal philosophy and use it. (Laughs.)

[01:05:50] Ross Blocher: Sure. Oh, I’m always in favor of honest reviews, but that’s how you can help other people find us. So, if that’s your goal, leave a review accordingly. And remember! Coming in at number one, “Perfect Love” by Kat Krick.

[01:06:04] Carrie Poppy: It’s not number one. It’s not.

[01:06:06] Music: “Perfect Love” from the album Perfect Love by Kat Krick.

… bringing me down

Feeding me lie after lie

Feeling entitled to the crown

If you’re in love with the powers

(unclear)

From within, I will find my power

With passion and your strength, I thrive

(Music fades out.)

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