International Waters

International Waters is a pop culture comedy quiz show where land laws do not apply. Join host Dave Holmes and competing teams of world-famous comedians from the US and UK in a hilarious and lively test of pop culture knowledge (and the ability to make up baloney when that knowledge fails). It's part panel show, part trivia quiz and all laughs. It's also a little embarrassed it wrote that last sentence.

Interview with Matthew Crosby - Member of Team UK from International Waters Episode 14


Interview conducted by Chris Bowman

Matthew Crosby is an all-around lovely guy. He’s one-third of the award-winning sketch group Pappy's. Their Edinburgh Fringe shows have achieved critical success over the years in the UK. They’ve got two podcasts: Pappy’s Bangers & Mash, which is based on conversation and riffing; and Pappy’s Flat Share Slamdown, which is a panel show. The group is currently wrapping up production on a new BBC 3 show called Badults coming out sometime in July. Crosby also performs as a solo stand-up act.

International Waters: Pappy's is a well-established comedy act here in the UK, but you also work as a solo comedian. Which came first: the desire to perform as part of a group or as a stand-up?

Matthew Crosby: I think the desire to be a comedian came first and performing alongside other people seemed like a good step towards making that happen. Most of my biggest comedic influences when I was growing up weren't straight stand up or straight sketch: Vic & Bob, Peter Cook & Dudley Moore, Monty Python, Spike Milligan. So, when I started performing comedy, it was always as part of a gang show with other people. Partly because that was the sort of comedy I enjoyed the most; partly because I was too scared to do it on my own.

IW: Two things I'm glad you mentioned, fear and Vic & Bob. I guess that's three. Let's talk about fear for a minute. It's a great motivator as they say, but it also prevents people from taking the first step or the next step.

MC: And I certainly experienced that when I first started. Although, if you'd asked me at the time, I wouldn't have put it down to fear. I'd probably have said that the open mic circuit just wasn't ready for my type of comedy. Which wouldn't have been true: the open mic circuit is always ready for people who aren't that good at comedy but think they're spearheading a comedy revolution.

IW: I’m not naive enough to think that I am going to revolutionize anything, and certainly not comedy. I'm just generally afraid. Vic & Bob, Peter Cook & Dudley Moore, and Monty Python. What was it about that off-kilter comedy that drew you in?

MC: I think when I was younger I was quite into "stuff my friends don't know about". Now I'm a lot more evangelical when I find things I like. But old TV shows, stuff that was on late-night channel 4, obscure indie bands; that was exactly the sort of stuff that fueled my feeling of superiority over my peers.

IW: It's nice to get past the "it's mine" feeling to the "have you seen this?" phase of your life, isn't it? I want to go back to fear for a minute. Pappy's has become an Edinburgh Fringe favourite and well received around the UK in general. There has to be a certain confidence that comes with critical acclaim. How much attention do you pay to that sort of thing?

MC: Well, we did our own PR this year (which is becoming increasingly and depressingly rare in Edinburgh) so we had to read our reviews. But as for how much attention we pay to them? They're undoubtedly useful for selling a show; but they are no indicator of how good a show is. If an audience is laughing and clearly enjoying themselves, you don't have to wait for tomorrow's papers to see if the show was good or not.

IW: What was the last thing that frightened you professionally?

MC: I suppose the scary thing with success is that you feel compelled to better yourself next time around. That's scary. But what we've been lucky enough to be able to do is constantly change medium. In 2010, we felt like we'd done all we could with Pappy's live shows, so we took a break and started podcasting. That introduced us to a whole new audience, gave us a new enthusiasm for working together, and helped us clearly define our dynamic. It also gave us a chance to miss doing live stuff so when we came to write the 2012 show, we were really excited about getting back to it. Then we had our television show commissioned, which was a whole new challenge; but at least it didn't feel like, "well, we've done a good live show; we have to immediately do another one..."

IW: The new BBC TV show is tentatively called Secret Dude Society. What are some of the challenges you faced in making the show?

MC: The first challenge was coming up with a new name for it. The pilot script has been around for a few years but when we came to write the next five episodes, we decided that the title didn't quite fit. So now it's called Badults

I guess the biggest challenge comes from handing over responsibility to other people. In our live shows we write and perform everything ourselves; we make all our own props and costumes. In TV, you have to trust other people to help you realize your vision. Luckily, we had a superb team who all seemed to understand what we were aiming for. 

Actually, the thing we had on our side, that perhaps a conventional stand-up might not have, was that, because there's three of us, we are already used to collaboration and compromise. If you're used to the total autonomy of stand-up, I imagine the step towards authoring your own TV show could be much harder.

IW: On the subject of compromise, how do you decide on when to fight for (or insist on) an idea and when to give in? 

MC: If you completely believe in something, there's usually a rational way of explaining why you think it's a good idea. We're all pointing in the same direction- we want to make a brilliant show. Obviously, if it's for a live show, there's the "let's put it onstage and see who's right" test. If it's for the television show, we just have to go on instinct. If any of us really dislike an idea, then what we try and do is present an alternative. It's easier to deal with someone saying, "Instead of that, how about this?" rather than "I hate your idea but I have nothing of my own to bring to the table."

IW: Of course. That makes perfect sense. Basically just be a rational, decent person when dealing with people you respect. If you had to give a "best of” Pappy's sketches or bits to the uninitiated what would they be?

MC: And people you don't respect. Why not just be a rational, decent person? That's my revolutionary philosophy and the central tenet of my newly formed cult. Donations welcome via my PayPal page. 

As for "best of" sketches for Pappy's, there's something a bit "bleurgh" about hearing sketches described; but, here goes: we do a version of the Wizard of Oz where we... No I can't do it. It'll sound embarrassing. Come and see us live. Or watch Badults when it comes on TV (probably July on BBC 3 in the UK).

IW: Say something funny.

MC: I thought of this joke today so I've got no idea of whether or not it's funny but here goes: my family are so middle class that when I was sick they gave me tiramiSudafed. 

Matthew Crosby can be found on twitter at @matthewcrosby

International Waters: Episode 14 Pope Corey

Team UK: Helen and Matthew
Helen Zaltzman
Matthew Crosby
Janet Varney
Ricky Carmona

Janet Varney , Ricky Carmona, Matthew Crosby and Helen Zaltzman join Jesse to answer pop-culture questions and joke around. Written by Jordan Morris and Sarah Morgan.

Meet International Waters' Team UK for February: Maeve Higgins and Howard Read


This interview was conducted and submitted by our friend in London, Mr. Chris Bowman.

This month’s “International Waters” team for the UK features two great comedians. Maeve Higgins is an Irish comedian temporarily living in London. She was the creator of the show Fancy Vittles in which she costarred with her sister Lilly; and she’s recently become a popular author after releasing her book of essays called, “We Have A Good Time…Don’t We?”. Most exciting: she will be making a special US appearance this Spring at MaxFunCon2013! Our second comedian, Howard Read sports a ridiculously long list of credentials. He’s an award winning stand-up, a singer/songwriter, an animator, and a father of two. He’s the creator of Little Howard’s Big Questions and this very funny children’s lullaby. Maeve and Howard spent a little time with us before the match to answer some questions. Even though it wasn’t really a warm up, they nailed it. They got all the answers right.

International Waters: I think the obvious question is: Where do you find the time to be a comedian, a songwriter, an animator…

Maeve Higgins: …Meditate…

IW: (laughs)…Yeah! And all the other stuff that doesn’t involve creativity?

Howard Read: Well I, I don’t really! (Laughs) I’ve go no time for anything. The animation takes up the longest really. Yeah, I just don’t do anything else.

IW: Well, I guess you have to focus your attention on one thing at a time.

International Waters: Episode 13 No to Killfist?

Maeve & Howard in London
Dana Gould
Maeve Higgins
Jackie Kashian
Howard Read
Rebecca Dana

Dana Gould, Maeve Higgins, Jackie Kashian and Howard Read join host Jesse Thorn and special guest Rebecca Dana to talk gooches, rabbis and celebrity baby names.

Engineered by Lindsay Pavlas, Nick White and Chris Morris, written by Jordan Morris and Sarah Morgan, produced by Colin Anderson.

International Waters Episode 12: A Season for Milk-Floating

It's really cold in London.
Eliza Skinner
John Finnemore
Jonah Ray
Roisin Conaty
Julie Klam

Eliza Skinner, John Finnemore, Jonah Ray and Roisin Conaty join guest host Cameron Esposito, to uncover the British equivalents to hayriding and Kim Kardashian.

Special guest Julie Klam tells us about her new book Friendkeeping: A Field Guide to the People You Love, Hate and Can’t Live Without and is incredibly tolerant of Eliza’s latest comic character.

Engineered by Lindsay Pavlas and Chris Morris, written by Jordan Morris and Tom Neenan and produced by Colin Anderson.

International Waters Episode 11: Live at MaxFunCon East

International Waters at MaxFunCon East. Photo by Zac Wolf +
Michael Ian Black
Graham Clark
Dave Shumka
Jordan Morris
Carol Kolb

Recorded live from the inaugural MaxFunConEast, International Waters 11 sees Canada and the USA finally face off against each other.

Special guest Michael Ian Black dropped in, with Stop Podcasting Yourself’s Dave Shumka and Graham Clark squaring up against America’s Carol Kolb and Jordan Morris.

Thanks to Alex Adan, Brennan Bullock, Tina McElmoyl, Rebecca O’Malley Donna Vakalis and Kurt Andersen. Written by Sarah Morgan, Jordan Morris, Rob Lim and Colin Anderson. Hosted by Jesse Thorn.

Come and find us on Facebook for more photos and Alice's animated Gif.

And if you weren't at MaxFunCon East, register now for MaxFunCon West at Lake Arrowhead in May.

International Waters Episode 10: Live in San Francisco

The San Francisco Comedy and Burrito Festival
Jordan Morris
Barara Gray
Natasha Muse
James Reichmuth
Mal Sharpe

International Waters live at The San Francisco Comedy and Burrito Festival!

North and South California finally duke it out to find out which is the best.

Representing SoCal: Jordan Morris and Barbara Gray, for NorCal: James Reichmuth and Natasha Muse. Plus special guest, San Francisco comedy legend Mal Sharpe!

International Waters: Episode 9 This Time It Stays Took

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Tom Weston-Jones in "Copper"
Claudia O'Doherty
Greg Proops
Robin Ince
Robin Thede
Tom Weston-Jones

Claudia O’Doherty combines forces with Robin Ince to create the British Commonwealth mega-team needed to take on America’s Greg Proops and Robin Thede.

There’s film geekery, a disco-ball crisis and the term PaparaPicazzo, plus special guest from new BBC America series “Copper”, Tom Weston-Jones. Written by Jordan Morris and Sarah Morgan.

International Waters Live at SF Comedy and Burrito Festival

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10/13/2012 - 18:30 - 20:00
San Francisco
Venue Name: 
The Polish Club

International Waters live at the SF Comedy and Burrito Festival!

Featuring host Jesse Thorn and an epic battle between the two Californias: NORTH and SOUTH!

Representing SoCal will be Jordan Morris and Barbara Gray.

Representing NorCal will be James Reichmuth of Kasper Hauser and Natasha Muse.

Plus special guest and San Francisco comedy legend Mal Sharpe of Coyle & Sharpe!

Doors are at 6:30pm and the show starts at 7:00pm.

For tickets, go to and use the code MAXFUN for $5 off!

International Waters Episode 8: Crocodile Dun-don't

F. Tompkins, Esposito, Thorn
Andy Zaltzman
Cameron Esposito
Craig Brown
Nadia Kamil
Paul F. Tompkins

Paul F. Tompkins, Andy Zaltzman, Cameron Esposito and Nadia Kamil join host Jesse Thorn and special guest Craig Brown for the pop-culture quiz show where land laws do not apply.

There’s a lot of harking back to the Olympics, talk of various celeb's "outside the beltway" credentials and do you know which film features "Dennis Quaid as Steve Martin as Bill Clinton"?

Plus British Satirist Craig Brown calls in to talk about his new book which is either called One on One if you’re British or Hello Goodbye Hello: A Circle of 101 Remarkable Meetings if you’re American.

Our theme music is USA Vs. White Noise by Ladytron and we’ve used

"Haul on the Bowline" (dead parrot) / CC BY-NC-SA 3.0

under Creative Commons license. Thanks to both for letting us use their work.

For extra photos and occasional outtakes please sign-up to our Facebook page.

Engineered by Nick White, Lindsay Pavlas and Chris Morris, guests booked by Julia Smith, development by Theresa Thorn. Written by Sarah Morgan and Jordan Morris, produced by Colin Anderson. Special thanks to Rosanna Arbon for helping to mix this episode.