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Podcast: Bob Odenkirk


Bob Odenkirk has written for Saturday Night Live, and won an Emmy for his writing on The Ben Stiller Show. He co-created and starred in the sketch comedy series Mr. Show with Bob and David, and directed the films Melvin Goes to Dinner and Let's Go To Prison. He also directed the upcoming film The Brothers Solomon, which was written by and stars SNL's Will Forte, alongside Kristen Wiig and Will Arnett.

Odenkirk's latest project is "Derek and Simon," a series of shorts featuring comedians Derek Waters and Simon Helberg on Super Deluxe. Their casual, conversational tone is pierced by sometimes outrageous premises. Below is the first episode.

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Shrek 3 is coming!


Have you heard about this great family film? If it weren't for Tim & Eric, I might have missed Shrek 3!

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Podcast: Jordan, Jesse GO! Ep. 23: You're the reason that daddy left.


In this week's Jordan Jesse GO!, we discuss vacations and more.

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Jesse and Jordan discuss the bumper sticker that listener SmartBunny designed. Jordan is concerned that everything devolves into eroticism.
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A surprisingly emotional discussion of long and short hair.

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Jesse saw The TV Set, and really enjoyed it. Jordan saw Spiderman 3. Also, a listener calls in with a harrowing tale.
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Podcast: TSOYA Classic: No F***ing Eagles

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We continue our journey into The Sound of Young America's vast audio archive with this program from The Sound of Young America Classics.

Our guests: We talk first with the founders of Lebowskifest, an annual celebration of all things Big Lebowski. Aherents call themselves "Achievers," and flock to the events, typically held in bowling alleys.

We also talk with Seth Greenland. He's the author of the novel "The Bones," which satirizes Hollywood and the world of comedy.

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The Comedy of the Schlub


Sharon Waxman, a former TSOYA guest and a reporter with a great talent for finding the angle, has an interesting piece on the Judd Apatow ouvre in the Times today.

The question she introduces to the debate is an important one, and she quotes Mike White (the man behind such wonderful films as "School of Rock" and "The Good Girl"):

“To me, I definitely stand in the corner of wanting to give voice to the bullied, and not the bully. Here’s where comedy is catharsis for people who are picked on,” he said.

“There’s a strain in ‘Knocked Up’ where you sort of feel like something’s changed a little bit,” he continued. “My sense of it is that because those guys are idiosyncratic-looking, their perception is that they’re still the underdogs. But there is something about the spirit of the thing, that comes under the guise of comedy, where — it’s weird. At some point it starts feeling like comedy of the bullies, rather than the bullied.”

Apatow writes to Waxman:

“I think there is a nerd’s fantasy involved in many of these films. We all wish that somebody would take the time to get to know us, and love us, warts and all.”

He added: “I always wanted to be given a shot. And the sick part is this: No matter how many shots I get, I never completely lose the feeling of inadequacy that makes me wish I would get a chance to prove myself.”

The line between nerd-schlub and bully-schlub is a fine one. I think a great illustration might be the films of Adam Sandler, where while the protagonist is often a weird outsider type, and invariably a man-child, there's little attention paid to the real feelings that are so central to "The 40-Year-Old Virgin." Often in Sandler's films, acting like an emotionally stunted jerk is almost the reason for his triumph.

I haven't yet seen "Knocked Up," and I'm very excited to, but this will give me something to consider between now and then.

Jerry Lewis on Pauline Kael & critics...


Dick Cavett talks with Jerry Lewis about being an auteur and dealing with critics. Including how much he loves Pauline Kael, a "dirty old broad" who'd never said anything good about him, ever. Great stuff.

La Haine on DVD


I first saw La Haine (Hate) in the theatre, when I was in high school. With the exception of Style Wars, I think it may be the best "hip-hop film" I've ever seen. It tracks three friends in the suburban ghettos of Paris, and anticipates some of the racial and class unrest that we've seen there in the past few years. It's about hip-hop, and youthful alienation, and race, and all that stuff, and is very powerful.

It came out yesterday on Criterion DVD, and I think you should, at the very least, rent it.

Above: one of the film's most remarkable shots, which apparently was achieved using a remote-control helicopter.

David Wain talks about The Ten


A guy from The Sundance Channel talks with the cast & crew of The Ten (pretty much all of them).

Lily Tomlin v. David O. Russell: HOLY SHIT


David O. Russell is one of my favorite directors... "Three Kings" is one of my favorite films of all time, and I really enjoyed "I Heart Huckabees." I was surprised when I read Sharon Waxman's allusions to the bizarre and intense set tensions on Hucakbee's, which she wrote about in the Times in 2004. She talked about it a bit, iirc, in our interview with her upon the release of her book "Rebels on the Backlot," which profiled Russell. (MP3)

The above though -- holy shit. I mean, I'm a huge fan of Lily Tomlin too. So I'm just reeling.

Here's an excerpt from a Playboy interview with the star of Three Kings, George Clooney:

PLAYBOY: What made you want to do [Three Kings]?
CLOONEY: David Russell wrote as good a script as I've ever read. I fought to get it. He wanted a lot of other actors before me. They went to Mel and to Nic Cage. I wanted to work on this movie. David is in many ways a genius, though I learned that he's not a genius when it comes to people skills.
PLAYBOY: Did you learn about that the hard way?
CLOONEY: I did. He yelled and screamed at people all day, from day one.
PLAYBOY: Did he yell at you?
CLOONEY: At me often — and at someone daily. He'd throw off his headset and scream, 'Today the sound department flicked me!' For me, it came to a head a couple of times. Once, he went after a camera-car driver who I knew from high school. I had nothing to do with his getting his job, but David began yelling and screaming at him and embarrassing him in front of everybody. I told him, 'You can yell and scream and even fire him, but what you can't do is humiliate him in front of people. Not on my set, if I have any say about it.'

Another time he screamed at the script supervisor and made her cry. I wrote him a letter and said, 'Look, I don't know why you do this. You've written a brilliant script, and I think you're a good director. Let's not have a set like this. I don't like it and I don't work well like this.' I'm not one of those actors who likes things in disarray. He read the letter and we started all over again.

But later, we were three weeks behind schedule, which puts some pressure on you, and he was in a bad mood. These army kids, who were working as extras, were supposed to tackle us. David wanted one of the extras to grab me and throw me down. This kid was a little nervous about it, and David walked up to him and grabbed him. He pushed him onto the ground.

He kicked him and screamed, 'Do you want to be in this f**king movie? Then throw him to the f**king ground!' The second assistant director came up and said, 'You don't do that, David. You want them to do something, you tell me.' David grabbed his walkie-talkie and threw it on the ground. He screamed, 'Shut the f**k up! F**k you, and the AD goes, 'F**k you! I quit.' He walked off.

It was a dangerous time. I'd sent him this letter. I was trying to make things work, so I went over and put my arm around him. I said, 'David, it's a big day. But you can't shove, push, or humiliate people who aren't allowed to defend themselves.' He turned on me and said, 'Why don't you just worry about your f**ked-up act? You're being a d**k. You want to hit me? You want to hit me? Come on, pussy, hit me.' I'm looking at him like he's out of his mind. Then he started banging me on the head with his head. He goes, 'Hit me, you pussy. Hit me.' Then he got me by the throat and I went nuts. I had him by the throat. I was going to kill him. Kill him. Finally, he apologized, but I walked away. By then, the Warner Bros. guys were freaking out. David sort of pouted through the rest of the shoot and we finished the movie, but it was truly, without exception, the worst experience of my life."

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