91: Lauren Gawne, Is Pointing Rude, and Gestures Studies

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Is pointing rude? I’m sure it’s a simple question with a simple answer that won’t completely break our brains in rethinking all we take for granted about gesture. Also, what is Lauren’s holy grail lost media of gesture studies?

Timestamps:
(00:00:00) Intro
(00:05:01) Is Pointing Rude?
(00:48:11) Questions for Lauren
(01:25:26) Outro

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