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Mos Def, Black Thought and Eminem RIP IT at the BET Awards
Posted Wed, 10/28/2009 - 08:59 by Jesse Thorn
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A few thoughts:
* Mos Def has the tools to be a superstar, purely on merit. He's charismatic, he has lyrics, he's not afraid of fun and he can flow his ass off. But he seems to have pretty much thrown that away in favor of being "experimental," which is to say half-assed. I notice that my favorite Mos Def songs are usually the party tracks - Sex Love & Money or the one with Luda.
* Black Thought is a great MC. I don't know what else he has to do at this point to prove that he's a great MC. He just is. Beautiful voice, effortlessly meticulous flow.
* I am not an Eminem fan, particularly, but it needs to be said: Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of all time. He stands in the absolute upper echelon - Rakim territory. It's now ten years later, and no one has come close to matching his skill. Sure, he doesn't have a great voice and his shtick is a little annoying, but his skills are unmatched. Unmatched. There are other rappers with amazing technique - Busta Rhymes, Pharoahe Monch and Ludacris come to mind - but even they are a whole class below Eminem. And he's also the greatest battle rapper of all time and probably the greatest freestyler of all time (certainly the greatest freestyler of all time who's any good at anything else).
My favorite MCs are more like Biggie or Jay-Z, artists who've learned the lessons of Rakim and chosen to focus their technique on making those lessons seem effortless. But that doesn't mean that I can ignore talent and skill like Eminem's. The man has a special gift, and lord knows he put in his 10,000 hours.
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@Jesse Thorn, you seem to be
@Jesse Thorn, you seem to be m ss ng the point entirely with regard to mos def. Beautiful thing about being an artist is that you can do what makes you happy. Mos def is a tops in the world of rap, a purist and not a sellout. His latest albums work on a level that's not as immediate as most rap music out there.
andrew.
Eminem has always irritated me so much, but I can't deny his skills. I just hate any of the real crazy voices, and the psycho persona. I agree with the Mos Def assessment too. Especially as I get older, I want music that is good, and that bangs. If it happens to be really intelligent, that is a bonus, but the super experimental stuff doesn't keep me interested. That is why I would prefer to listen to UGK over something like Sage Francis any day of the week.
Eminem is good sometimes
Eminem is good sometimes ("Renegade" with Jay-Z comes to mind). But alot of the time, he tries to put too much into a bar. It looks good on paper, but it doesn't transfer to the mic. Alot of the time, his rapping stops being rythmical, stops being musical. Busta Rhymes and Pharoahe Monch are always musical.
In some sense, it takes a great deal of technique to do what Bone Thugs N Harmony does. It doesn't make them great rappers. And personally, I think what Biggie did was extremely technical.
I'm going to listen to this 10 times to de-cypher it
"I'm a cross between Osama, Dhamer, Obama and the Dalai Lama" - one of the greatest lines ever
Wow.
It's amazing how much the COWD is even with Em more than the other two.
Great, great stuff.
ha!
CROWD, also.
Love it
For a second there, I thought it was 1998. Thanks Jesse.
Adam
The DJ
Primo's no slouch either.
Guru
A) Primo is certainly one of
A) Primo is certainly one of the top five or so hip-hop producers of all time, but while he's a perfectly good DJ, it's not like he's a super-special DJ.
B) All he does is play a beat.