The Art of Process with Aimee Mann and Ted Leo

The Art of Process with Aimee Mann and Ted Leo is the newest artistic collaboration from legendary singer-songwriters Aimee Mann and Ted Leo. Every other week, Aimee and Ted talk to friends across the creative spectrum to find out how they work. And sure, they're friends with a lot of musicians, but weirdly not as many as you'd expect. So you'll hear from comedians, directors, novelists, show creators - ok, yes, some musicians - writers, producers and more, as they discuss the process of turning an idea into art.

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"In the Belly of the Rock": Dan Wilson

Dan Wilson

On this episode of The Art of Process, we talk to one of our favorite songwriters, Dan Wilson. From his start in the Twin Cities indie scene of the early 80s to his rise as a noted "song-whisperer," working with artists ranging from Adele, to the Dixie Chicks, to Pink, and many others among and between, he's displayed an integrity and a commitment to artistry that shows through in all of his work. Join us as we discuss everything from meeting in the slow bake of a hot tent with yogurt on the side (it's every bit as gross as it sounds), to the melancholy loneliness of solo songwriting versus collaboration, experiments in ALL CHORUS songs, and the rise of streaming services like Spotify, and how they've become something of a new tail wagging the old dog of songwriting in ways both frustrating and potentially fun. Special thanks to Laura Swisher at for being our "podcast-whisperer" and continuing to help us through the *process* of getting this off the ground and establishing some sort of flow. New episodes every-other Monday, and as always, please subscribe, download, like, etc., wherever you get your podcasts. Finally have it together enough to add some relevant links below, should you choose to dig further...
Our MaximumFun page:
Semisonic's "Closing Time" official video:
AMAZING 1986 cable access Trip Shakespeare appearance:
Bunratty's is still there, now called Wonder Bar, but I don't really understand what's going on with this website:
A really interesting deep dive if you want to take a left-turn into Spotify and genre creation, by Liz Pelly (@lizpelly), who's been doing a lot of great thinking and writing on this:

Art of Process Episode 2 - Rebecca Sugar

Rebecca Sugar

The multi-talented Rebecca Sugar is the creator and showrunner of the wildly imaginative Steven Universe on Cartoon Network. Ted, Aimee, and Rebecca discuss how the show is able to appeal to both children and adults, how to tackle a blank page, and how early love of some art (and rejection of others) influenced their careers. Oh, and also, what art is for, what it means and what its purpose is.

Art of Process Episode 1 - Wyatt Cenac

Wyatt Cenac

For their first episode, Aimee and Ted are joined by Emmy-award winning writer / actor / comedian Wyatt Cenac. The trio cover a lot of ground, including: defying commercial expectations in your creative work, the nature of live performance, and the inspiration for Wyatt's show Problem Areas, which is coming back for a second season on HBO later this year.

Coming soon to Maximum Fun: The Art of Process with Aimee Mann and Ted Leo


Subscribe now to hear intimate conversations about craft and the creative process, featuring Aimee Mann, Ted Leo, and artists from a variety of fields - comedians, directors, novelists, show creators, writers, producers, musicians and more. New episodes every other Monday, starting January 28!