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Bullseye with Jesse Thorn: J.K. Simmons & Solomon Georgio

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J.K. Simmons on his career, musical theater and what it’s like to be made into an action figure

J.K. Simmons never imagined he would work in film or television. In 1978, he graduated from the University of Montana with a degree in music. Many years later he put that degree to use for the Broadway musical revival of “Guys and Dolls” with his portrayal of Benny Southstreet.

His mainstream breakthrough performance didn’t occur until 1997. For six seasons, he played a neo-nazi named Vernon Schillinger on the HBO prison drama “Oz.” The groundbreaking program was the first hour-long drama produced by HBO. It was also one of the most graphic and violent shows on television at the time. In 2015, J.K. Simmons starred alongside Miles Teller in the movie “Whiplash,” directed by Damien Chazelle. His performance earned him an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor for his portrayal of a ruthless, sadistic jazz instructor.

He's also known for his portrayal of John Jonah Jameson, the editor of the Daily Bugle in the Spiderman. Simmons’ portrayal is bombastic, unrelentless, and one of the best sources of comic relief in that series. It’s a performance that’s not many degrees away from the rage he channeled in “Oz,” but is done with a sort of charm that only J.K. could pull off.

J.K. Simmons stars in the new drama The Bachelors. In it, Simmons plays a math teacher named Bill Palet. Bill just lost his wife, and he's trying to move past it. One day Bill wakes up, and decides it’s time for a big change. Bill and his son, Wes, move out to California where Bill takes a job at a private school. Jesse talks with J.K. Simmons about the new film, musical theater, and of course, the John Jonah Jameson action figure (with Desk Pounding Action™).

Click here to listen J.K. Simmons' interview on YouTube!

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Solomon Georgio on his debut comedy album: Homonegro Superior

Solomon Georgio made his television debut on CONAN in 2015. Since then he has appeared on The Meltdown with Jonah & Kumail, Viceland's Flophouse and Last Call with Carson Daly. His writing credits include contributions to “Adam Ruins Everything” on TruTV and “Spongebob Squarepants” on Nickelodeon.

He’s from Seattle, via Fresno, via St. Louis, Via Sudan and then Ethiopia, where his parents are from. These days he lives in Los Angeles. Sometimes his stand-up is vulnerable and sincere, talking about childhood trauma. But then he'll strike a pose and make an outrageous joke about his perfect thigh gap and like magic - you believe him. It’s that kind of charisma that gives him a unique presence on stage.

Earlier this year he got his own half-hour Comedy Central special. On the same day he released his debut record - Homonegro Superior, one of our favorites this year. Jesse talks with Solomon about his new comedy album, what it was like to come out to his parents as gay and what it was like to come out as a stand-up comedian.

Click here to listen Solomon Georgio's interview on YouTube!

The Outshot: ”Child of the Ghetto” by G. Dep

Finally, for this week's Outshot: Jesse talks about “Child of the Ghetto” by Ghetto Dependent. The record came out in 2001 via Bad Boy Records. One highlight is the track “Everyday,” which relays some of the most realistic portrayals of being broke.

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Bullseye with Jesse Thorn: Margaret Cho & Lisa Hanawalt

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Margaret Cho
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Margaret Cho on Growing Up Korean American, Breaking Through in Comedy and Gay Men She Loved and Lost

[R] Whether it’s growing up as a Korean-American girl in San Francisco or breaking through the male-dominated world of stand-up comedy in the early nineties, Margaret Cho has always found a way use all of life’s experiences to create entertainment.

Cho famously co-created and starred in the first sitcom that focused on an Asian American family. "All-American Girl" was cancelled in its first season, but it became a part of American television history and helped lay the groundwork for sitcoms like "Fresh Off the Boat." Since then, Cho has continued her standup career, and appeared in numerous film and television shows including "Dr. Ken," "Family Guy," "Sex in the City" and on "30 Rock," where in separate episodes, she played North Korean dictators: Kim Jong Il and later his son Kim Jong-un.

Today, we're revisiting our conversation with Margaret Cho from last year. She sat down with Jesse to talk about beginning her career during the 90's comedy boom in San Francisco, growing up in a Korean immigrant family, and how the community around her family’s gay bookstore continues to touch and inspire her life.

Margaret Cho’s new album American Myth is now available on iTunes and on her website, MargaretCho.com. She also just launched a huge international tour of standup, called "Fresh off the Bloat." It kicked off just last week in Scotland.

Click here to listen to Margaret Cho's interview on YouTube!

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Lisa Hanawalt on BoJack Horseman, Food Obsessions and Martha Stewart’s Horse

Lisa Hanawalt enjoys exploring the strange ins and outs of her world using words and illustrations. She has a fondness for drawing anthropomorphized animals which often represent characters, including herself. Her work reveals a childlike wonder, even while exploring adult themes.

Her illustrations and writing have appeared in numerous print and online publications including McSweeney’s, Vanity Fair and the New York Times. In 2010, she earned the Ignatz Award for Outstanding Comic for her work on her first comic series, "I Want You."

Her work can be seen on Netflix’s "Bojack Horseman," where Hanawalt serves as production designer and producer. She can also be heard on the Maximum Fun podcast, Baby Geniuses, which she co-hosts with Emily Heller.

We spoke in 2016. In the interview, she sat down with Jesse to talk about her work on "BoJack Horseman," her latest book "Hot Dog Taste Test" and her fascination with Martha Stewart’s horse.

Click here to listen to Lisa Hanawalt's interview on YouTube!

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The Outshot: Draymond Green

Finally, for this week's Outshot: Jesse praises a basketball player who may not get all the fame, but is no less deserving of the glory.

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Bullseye with Jesse Thorn: Greta Gerwig & Pixar's Lee Unkrich

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Greta Gerwig
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Greta Gerwig on her new film: Lady Bird

You probably know Greta Gerwig as an actress - she starred in Noah Baumbach's Frances Ha and a bunch of other mumblcore indies. She's also been in Oscar contenders like Jackie and 20th Century Women. Now, she's written and directed a film of her own: Lady Bird. It’s a piece of work that is grounded in reality - the reality of growing up. And no exaggeration - it's one of our favorite movies from this year.

The protagonist is named Christine McPherson, but she'd rather you call her Lady Bird. She's played by Saoirse Ronan, she lives in Sacramento and the whole movie is set in 2002. It's almost like a period piece from the Bush years. You can bet anyone with a cell phone is rocking a flip phone. Greta talks with Jesse about growing up in Sacramento and the importance of writing the phrase "hella tight" in the script of a major motion picture.

Click here to listen to Greta Gerwig's interview on YouTube!

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Pixar’s Lee Unkrich on directing Coco.

For over 20 years, Lee Unkrich has been one of the leading creative voices at Pixar. He worked on Toy Story, Finding Nemo, A Bug's Life, and a bunch more. He directed Toy Story 3, probably the darkest and most affecting of the movies in that series.

Now, he's directed Coco, the newest Disney Pixar movie. Set in Mexico, Coco is a story wrapped up in the Mexican day of the dead - Dia De Muertos. Lee Unkrich talk with Jesse about the making of Coco and lots more, especially his time working on 1993 USA classic police procedural Silk Stalkings back when Pixar was a side gig for him. What could be sexier than solving sex-related crimes on cable television in the 90's?

Click here to listen to Lee Unkrich's interview on YouTube!

The Outshot: E.B. White’s Death of a Pig

Finally, for this week's Outshot: E.B. White’s most eloquent words about a pig were not about Wilbur from Charlotte’s Web. Jesse talks about White's Death of a Pig, which was first published in The Atlantic in 1948.

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Bullseye with Jesse Thorn: Amy Sedaris & Paul Reiser

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Amy Sedaris
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Amy Sedaris on her new show: At Home with Amy Sedaris

Amy Sedaris made a career playing characters - and we say this with absolutely *zero* shade intended - people who are kind of grotesque and weird. The weirder the better. There's Jerri Blank from Strangers with Candy - a middle aged high school student with an overbite, weird highlights and a penchant for mom jeans. Or Mimi Kanasis, the crazed, kinda plastic-y socialite on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, too. But on her new show, At Home with Amy Sedaris, Amy pretty much plays herself. She talks with Jesse about how that's a transition out of her normal comfort zone.

Also discussed: rabbits (she has one), monkfish (they smell bad when their dead), and Girl Scout badges (she has them all!)

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Paul Reiser on dramatizing the Tonight Show's golden days.

Paul Reiser is, of course, a longtime standup. Alongside Helen Hunt, he starred in the hit sitcom Mad About You. And he's been acting a lot lately, too - he's great in Amazon's Red Oaks, Stranger Things, he was in Whiplash too. He's also the creator of a brand new TV series, it's called There's Johnny and it's premiering this week on Hulu.

It's set in the early 70s, behind the scene of the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. Reiser knew Carson about as well as anybody could and dishes on what it was like appearing on his show almost a dozen times, how the show came together and what it was like following up a hit show like Mad About You.

The Outshot: Who Needs Donuts?

Finally, for this week's Outshot: Who needs "Who Needs Donuts?" You need "Who Needs Donuts?"

Bullseye with Jesse Thorn: John Hodgman & Tig Notaro

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John Hodgman on his new book Vacationland

It's Bullseye, I'm Jesse Thorn. My first guest: John Hodgman!

Look, you probably know who John is already. He's been a regular contributor to McSweeney's and This American Life and a bunch more. He's an actor who's worked on shows like 30 Rock, Flight of the Conchords, Adventure Time. At my company Maximum Fun he's the judge on the Judge John Hodgman Podcast.

John's also written four books. His latest is Vacationland, and it's kind of a departure for him. John's previous work has been pretty much all jokes - really funny jokes, but nothing personal. Stuff like hobo nicknames and gags about John Cusack or whatever.

Vacationland is plenty funny, but it's also really intimate. It's kind of a meditation on aging and the world we live in today. It's about fatherhood and adolescence and how to accept that at some point in your life. there's gonna be more road behind you than ahead.

John Hodgman joins Jesse to talk about his new book and the swear words he wishes he never said to his children.

Click here to listen to John Hodgman's interview on YouTube

Tig Notaro on weaving fiction and autobiography in One Mississippi

Tig Notaro has been on the show a few times before - the last time was 2014. She was kicking off her Boyish Girl Interrupted tour. Only a couple years before that, she'd been diagnosed with breast cancer - a topic that showed up in her standup in a really honest and affecting way.

In 2015, she collaborated with writer Diablo Cody to create the show One Mississippi, she's also the star. Her character, Tig, is a radio DJ who's moved from Los Angeles back to her home state of Mississippi. Like Tig in real life, she's a cancer survivor, she's gay, she's really, really funny.

One Mississippi is entering its second season on Amazon now.

Click here to listen to Tig's Bullseye interview on YouTube!

The Outshot: Henri Rousseau's Tiger in a Tropical Storm

Finally, for this week's Outshot, Jesse talks about painter Henri Rousseau and his transfixing "Tiger in a Tropical Storm," or… "Surprised!"

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Bullseye with Jesse Thorn: Stephanie Beatriz & Griffin Dunne on Joan Didion

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Stephanie Beatriz on Brooklyn Nine-Nine and taking the lead in The Light of the Moon

For five seasons, Stephanie Beatriz has starred on the hit fox show Brooklyn Nine Nine. It's for real one of our favorites, everyone's great in it - Terry Crews, Andy Samberg, Chelsea Peretti. Stephanie plays Detective Rosa Diaz. And Rosa is easily the toughest cop in the precinct - she's brave, she's serious, she rides a motorcycle.

Now, Stephanie is starring in a brand new movie. It's called The Light of The Moon. In it, Stephanie plays Bonnie, a young woman living in Brooklyn with her boyfriend. Towards the beginning of the film she goes through a vicious sexual assault. And from there, the movie tells the story of the aftermath of that event - its effect on her work life, her relationships… even little stuff - like whether or not she wears headphones when she's walking off the subway. It's a little brutal to watch, but it's also nuanced, realistic and really touching.

Stephanie's talks with Jesse about all that and more from NPR's studios in New York.

A quick warning - the second half of this interview contains some honest and frank talk about sexual assault and the trauma dealing with it.

Click here to listen to Stephanie's interview on YouTube!"

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Griffin Dunne on making a documentary about his aunt, Joan Didion

Griffin Dunne is mainly an actor. Recently he starred alongside Kathryn Hahn in the Amazon series I Love Dick. He was also in the Dallas Buyers Club, an American Werewolf in London, and in the 1985 Scorsese classic After Hours.

He's also a director - and just released his first ever documentary. It's a biography of his aunt, Joan Didion, one of the most critically acclaimed contemporary writers.

Didion rose to fame for her journalism - she immersed herself in stories. In the late 60s, she broke through with Slouching Towards Bethlehem. In her career she covered a bunch of different stuff - the counter culture, war, immigration. She also wrote a handful of novels, a couple memoirs.

She's lead a fascinating life, but until now, there hadn't been a documentary about her. She's pretty private - doesn't give a lot of interviews, either.

The film is called Joan Didion: The Center Will Not Hold, and it's available on Netflix now. Dunne gives us an intimate look at one of the most compelling thinkers alive. It talks about her impact on journalism, her works of fiction too. Dunne also focuses a lot on one of the biggest tragedies to strike Didion's life: in 2003, her husband John Dunne died of a heart attack. Not long after that she also lost daughter, Quintana Roo Dunne.

Click here to listen to Griffin's interview on YouTube!"

The Outshot: The Dana Carvey Show

Finally, for this week's Outshot, Jesse plugs the Dana Carvey Show - possibly the funniest thing to ever follow Home Improvement on ABC.

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Bullseye with Jesse Thorn: Halloween Special! Elvira's Cassandra Peterson, Andy Daly & more!

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Cassandra "Elvira" Peterson
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Andy Daly
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April Wolfe
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Alonso Duralde

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Cassandra "Elvira" Peterson on her career and Halloween influence as Elvira

Her name is Cassandra Peterson, better you probably know her better as Elvira - Mistress of the Dark - probably the most famous Halloween character ever since Dracula. She's rocked the giant wig, the tailored black dress and glossy black nail polish for 36 years now.

Elvira's has appeared on countless TV shows, hosted her own, starred in two movies. Since 1983, she's appeared live on stage at Knott's Berry Farm for a special nightly Halloween performance. This year marks her last ever performance there.

Where'd it all start? Back in 1981. Peterson had just been hired to host the spooky B-Movie TV show Movie Macabre. In those late night episodes, sprawled out on a red velvet couch and wearing all black, Cassandra Peterson became Elvira.

Cassandra joins Jesse to talk about her career as Elvira and the character's impact on her fans.

You can keep up to date with Cassandra Peterson on her website.

Listen to Jesse's interview with Elvira!

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Andy Daly on "The Song that Changed my Life"

Every now and then we find a guest with a story about a song they love. We call it "The Song that Changed my Life." This week, we've got Andy Daly with a special Halloween treat: he's going to talk about the Monster Mash, by Bobby "Boris" Pickett.

Andy Daly is a comedian and actor. You've seen him on Mad TV, Eastbound and Down, he plays the terrible doctor on HBO's Silicon Valley.

And for three years he starred on the Comedy Central show Review, where he played a critic willing to review pretty much anything life has to offer. Even if it's something as simple as eating a bunch of pancakes.

Check out more of Andy Daly's work on Andydaly.com

Listen to Jesse's interview with Andy Daly!

Film critic April Wolfe, Alonso Duralde on Halloween movies

There's more to the Halloween spirit than getting scared. And movies help you with that! What's Thanksgiving without Planes Trains and Automobiles? Christmas without Charlie Brown? 4th of July without… Born on the 4th of July?

This week, for a Halloween special, to talk about Halloween movies both spooky and ooky are two resident film experts at Maximum Fun and expert panelists from the new Maximum Fun movie podcast Who Shot Ya. April Wolfe is a film critic who's written for LA Weekly, The Atlantic, NPR, Vice and more. She's joined by Alonso Duralde, film critic the Wrap.

Listen to Jesse's Halloween film panel with April and Alonso!

The Outshot: "I Put a Spell on You"

In this week's Outshot, Jesse points out how Nina Simone's rendition of Jay Hawkin's "I Put a Spell on You" is better than the original.

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Bullseye with Jesse Thorn: Gilbert Gottfried and Filmmaker Maggie Betts

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Gilbert Gottfried on his career in comedy, losing gigs, and the new documentary Gilbert

Comedian Gilbert Gottfried has been entertaining the world since he was 15 years old. His roles include being a cast member on season 6 of SNL, an accountant in Beverly Hills Cop II, and voicing the parrot Iago in Aladdin, the classic Disney cartoon.

Gilbert has a reputation for pushing boundaries in comedy. On stage he plays sort of a character - he squints his eyes, screams at the top of his lungs, and his material usually hovers between tasteless, dumb, and more often than not: really, really, funny.

But the real Gilbert is sensitive, quiet and friendly. And it's that Gilbert Gottfried that's featured in the new documentary. It's called Gilbert, directed by Neil Berkeley. In the movie, Gilbert opens up about his second life we don't know much about: his wife and kids, his childhood, his successes and failures.

You can keep up to date with Gilbert Gottfried on his website.

You can also catch Gilbert Gottfried on his podcast Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast!.

Listen to Jesse's interview with Gilbert Gottfried!

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Maggie Betts on her new film Novitiate

So far, Maggie Betts has directed only three films. A documentary, a short, and now her first-ever narrative feature, Novitiate, which hits theaters October 27. The film follows a group of women training to be nuns in 1964 a time when Catholic church was at a crossroads: society was changing, attendance was down, and the church responded to all that by executing a bunch of reforms, some popular, some not so much.

An interesting fact about Maggie is that she grew up with the Bushes. Her dad was good friends with George W. Bush, she was roommates with his daughter Barbara.

Maggie talks to Jesse about what inspired her to make Novitiate, and not needing permission to make movies.

Watch the trailer for Novitiate here.

Listen to Jesse's interview with Maggie Betts!

The Outshot: 1998 Out of Sight

In this week's Outshot, Jesse points out how Out of Sight created the George Clooney that we all know.

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Bullseye with Jesse Thorn: Amy Ryan & The Ringer's Shea Serrano

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Amy Ryan on her leading role in Abundant Acreage Available and being a character actress

First up is actress Amy Ryan. You've seen her as Beadie Russel on The Wire, as Holly on The Office, in movie like Gone Baby Gone, and a bunch more stuff. She's now starring in the new movie Abundant Acreage Available. She sits down with Jesse to talk about all those roles, and growing up as an aspiring actress in Queens, New York -- including the time she convinced her family it was cool to skip college and give acting a real go.

Watch a trailer for Abundant Acreage Available, out now.

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The Ringer's Shea Serrano on hip-hop, basketball, and following his writing dreams

Next up is the writer Shea Serrano. He's covered basketball, music and more for ESPN, Vice, The Ringer, and more.

Born and raised in Texas, Shea was originally a middle school teacher who'd write in his spare time. Though he only started writing full time a little over two years ago, he now has a huge legion of followers on social media, a New York Times bestseller in The Rap Yearbook, and an AMC television show in development that's based on the same book.

His new, beautifully illustrated book is called Basketball and Other Things, and it's out now.

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The Outshot: Losing in Baseball

In this week's Outshot, Jesse argues that losing in baseball isn't so bad. It's actually kind of comforting.

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Bullseye With Jesse Thorn: Carl Reiner & Rodarte's Kate and Laura Mulleavy

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Carl Reiner on His Time in The Army, His Relationship with Mel Brooks, And on His Memoir

Comedy legend Carl Reiner has been doing comedy since World War II. He's the creator of The Dick Van Dyke Show, one of the greatest TV shows of all time. Carl also co-wrote and directed one of Steve Martin's most successful shows, The Jerk. And as expected, his best friend is no one other than Mel Brooks. Get this: they watch Wheel of Fortune when they hang out.

Carl is also a prolific writer with nearly 20 book titles to his name. Still writing at the age of 95, he recently released a memoir, Too Busy to Die, about his journey to who he is today.

Carl invited Jesse to his home to talk about his time in the army and his memoir.

You can find Carl Reiner's memoir on Random Content.

And you can check out Carl's screen credits on IMDb.

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The Mulleavy Sisters on Their Fashion Company, Rodarte, and Their New Venture into Filmmaking

Kate and Laura Mulleavy are fashion designers who grew up in Northern California and graduated from UC Berkeley. Kate and Laura blew up after they designed just ten pieces in their parent's kitchen. They made the cover of Women's Wear Daily, and they got a face to face meeting with Anna Wintour.

In 2005 they founded Rodarte, their clothing brand. Acclaim has followed since. Kate and Laura won the CFDA award for womenswear designers of the year. And they even helped design costumes for the movie Black Swan.

Now, Kate and Laura have directed their first-ever movie, Woodshock, starring Kirsten Dunst.

The sisters join Jesse to talk about directing a movie and running a fashion company.

You can keep up with Kate and Laura's fashion company on their website.

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The Outshot: Dead Prez's Hip-Hop

In this week's Outshot, Jesse talks about how Dead Prez created the most urgent sound hip-hop ever produced.

Click here to listen to Jesse's Outshot on Dead Prez's hit song, "Hip-Hop"/!

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