Pop Rocket Episode 160: The Fourth Estate in Film

Pop Rocket
Louis Virtel
April Wolfe

This week, Louis Virtel takes over hosting duties to talk about The Post and journalism movies with Margaret and special guest April Wolfe! What kind of stories would the gang like to see in the future? Is Broadcast News secretly creepy?

Plus, Louis LOVES awards season, April talks SNL, and Margaret discusses Kesha's Grammy performance and her legal feud with Dr. Luke.

With Louis Virtel, Wynter Mitchell, April Wolfe and Margaret Wappler.

That’s My Jam:

Margaret Wappler - Rayvn Lenae - Sticky
April Wolfe - Tweak Bird - Whorses
Louis Virtel - Colonel Adams - I'm Not Gonna Let You

Each week we’ll add everyone’s jams to our Spotify playlists.

You can let us know what you think of Pop Rocket and suggest topics in our Facebook group or via @PopRocket on Twitter.

Produced by Christian Dueñas for

The Turnaround: Brooke Gladstone

The Turnaround
Brooke Gladstone

New to The Turnaround? Subscribe in Apple Podcasts or with your favorite podcatcher to make sure you automatically get two new interviews a week through August 15th.

This week on The Turnaround Jesse sits down with Brooke Gladstone of WNYC Studio's On The Media.

Brooke began her career working for NPR, as an editor on both Weekend Edition with Scott Simon, and All Things Considered. She also worked as a foreign correspondent for NPR in Moscow. Now she co-hosts and edits the weekly show On The Media. The award winning show has been around in its current iterations for over 15 years covering, you guessed it, the media. She and co-host Bob Garfield cast a critical eye on their peers in the media, asking questions that are larger than that week's headlines.

Photo: Janice Yi

Brooke interviews all kinds of people on the show. She and Bob make an effort to represent many points of view on any given topic, to give the listener a better understanding of all the issues involved. Her interview style is direct and respectful, though you never feel like she hasn't asked the question that you want answered.

In her conversation with Jesse, Brooke shares how such a tightly edited weekly show gets made, and how she and her team choose to edit their show when cutting down for time and content. She also talks about journalistic objectivity, an ideal that she believes has no business dictating any part of the relationship between the media consumer and producer.

Brooke has won two Peabody awards among many others, and she has written two books. One of them is a non-fiction graphic novel starring Brooke herself that covers changes in the media over the last 2,000 years. It came out in 2011 and is called The Influencing Machine.

Her most recent book, The Trouble With Reality: A Rumination on Moral Panic in Our Time came out earlier this year. It deals with the proliferation of "fake news" in our time, examining how the Trump administration uses these lies to shape reality. You can listen to On The Media every week on your local public radio station, or you can download the podcast. If you're not already subscribed, do it! Seriously.

The Turnaround is a production of Maximum Fun in partnership with the Columbia Journalism Review. Visit their website to learn more about their "mission to encourage excellence in journalism in the service of a free society," and to read edited transcripts of our other Turnaround episodes.

Hosted and created by Jesse Thorn
Produced by Kara Hart and Nick Liao
Senior Producer: Laura Swisher
Managing Director: Bikram Chatterji

Music for The Turnaround provided by Mobius Van ChocStraw.

Special thanks to Kyle Pope and his team at CJR, Darrel Frost, and Emilie Erskine.

Bullseye With Jesse Thorn: Katie Couric, Audie Cornish, and Marc Maron

Katie Couric
Marc Maron
Audie Cornish

New to Bullseye? Subscribe to our podcast in iTunes or with your favorite podcatcher to make sure you automatically get the newest episode every week.

This week, we are bringing you interviews from Maximum Fun and the Columbia Journalism Review's new podcast, The Turnaround! Jesse Thorn sits down with some of our greatest living interviewers to bring you raw conversations about journalism, broadcasting, and what it's like to do what they do. You can subscribe now in Apple Podcasts, and catch the first episode on June 22nd!

Photo: Stephen Voss/NPR

Audie Cornish on authenticity in interviewing

Audie Cornish co-hosts NPR's All Things Considered. On NPR, she's often doing live interviews on breaking stories, interviewing reporters and newsbreakers who are on the scene after huge, sometimes really scary events took place. In a world where news moves so quickly, it's gotten easier and easier for hosts like Audie to slip up, maybe get a fact wrong. Honestly, the whole thing kind of terrifies me. But when Audie's covering a breaking story, she's careful, she's unflappable, and prepared.

This week, Jesse sits down with Audie to talk about how she got into broadcasting and the difference between working in broadcasting and print journalism. She tells us what it's like to work at such an established news institution like NPR, and why the word "dispassionate" does not describe her and her fellow broadcasters.

You can listen to Audie Cornish every weekday on NPR's All Things Considered on your local NPR affiliate station.

Click here to listen to Jesse's interview with Audie Cornish!

Marc Maron on how his garage creates intimacy

Photo: Jesse Thorn

Marc Maron is a standup, an actor, and hosts of one of the biggest podcasts ever: WTF with Marc Maron. Recorded out of his garage in Highland Park, Los Angeles, Maron does long, kind of free form conversations with comedians, musicians, actors. He even got Barack Obama to come by. When you listen to WTF, though, you aren't just listening for the guest. Maron has a big personality, and it shows in his interviews - he's not rattling off a list of questions but instead having a really intimate and revealing conversation with his guests. It doesn't always go great, but it always reveals a lot about the guest, even if they aren't into it.

Marc and Jesse talk about what it's like recording his very popular show in his garage, his tactics for getting people to open up to him, and the differences between his stand up and podcast personas.

Marcs podcast WTF with Marc Maron comes out twice a week! He also has a book called Waiting for the Punch coming out this fall.

Click here to listen to Jesse's interview with Marc Maron!

Katie Couric on hosting a morning news show and asking the difficult questions

Katie Couric has worked in TV news for almost 40 years. She's hosted the Today Show, CBS Evening News, and is currently the Yahoo! Global News anchor. Name a super famous person, and she's probably talked with them; from presidents to prime ministers to first ladies and movie stars. Katie is also interested in talking to regular citizens, working on projects like Gender Revolution and Under The Gun. When she's not anchoring or filming documentaries, she's recording and hosting her own podcast.

Katie talks about what it's like to host a morning news show and about the questions that she's embarrassed to ask. Plus, she gives us tips on what to do if you want to get out of a conversation at a party.

Click here to listen to Jesse's interview with Katie Couric!

Minority Korner 62: 2017 #NoDrama W/Special Guest Shantira Jackson!! (Ali Wong, Resolutions, Shemar Moore)

Minority Korner
Shantira Jackson

Happy New Year! We made it to 2017! What are your New Year's Resolutions? Nnekay and James share their goals for 2017, or how to not end up being bedraggled by the end of the year. We also cover what's hot to watch on Netflix. In the first Quizlet Korner of the new year it's a clean slate, as Nnekay starts off a winner to find out where is the truth behind Shemar Moore's sexuality, Lee Daniels potentially having a few more missteps with his latest series Star, a new law for hair dresser/stylists, or a local politician getting new laws in FAVOR to support trans gendered youth. And another gem from Chicago, we have our unreleased full interview with brilliant, talented, hilarious Shantira Jackson of Second City, as well as an activist, comedian extraordinaire is she is going to drop some motivating truth bombs on us. Looks like this new year is off to a GREAT start!

Getting Curious Episode 27: What Was Your Journey to Becoming a Writer?

Christopher Barnard
Getting Curious
Christopher Barnard
Jonathan Van Ness

Jonathan catches up with Christopher Barnard, freelance writer and hometown friend. They talk about Christopher's path to writing, how to interview somebody famous, and the future of print media. Plus, Chris shares how to stay informed on fashion, even if you live in Bumblefuck, or whatever.

With Jonathan Van Ness and guest, Christopher Barnard.

Produced by Christian Dueñas and Daniel Baruela for

You can find Jonathan on Twitter @TheGayOfThrones or follow him on his Instagram Gay of Thrones.

You can join the Getting Curious Facebook group here, and you can follow us on Twitter, @Getting_Curious.

Adam Ruins Everything: Episode 5 Science Journalism with John Bohannon

Image courtesy of John Bohannon
Adam Conover
John Bohannon

Science journalist John Bohannon, who appeared on the nutrition episode of Adam Ruins Everything, joins us on this week's podcast!

John is fascinating - he's a contributing correspondent for Science magazine and has a Ph.D. in molecular biology from Oxford University. His experience in both academia and journalism has led to an inventive approach to exposing the flaws of science journalism and specifically nutrition journalism.

On the episode, John and Adam discuss John's fake chocolate study, his latest expose on Sci-Hub, and much more.

Adam Conover is on Twitter @AdamConover and you can find past episodes and bonus content from the TruTV show at

Produced by Shara Morris for

Jesse and the Nieman Journalism Lab


Last month, I had a long chat with Joshua Benton, a blogger for the Nieman Journalism Lab at Harvard. Josh was very familiar with The Sound, and wanted to know what I think about the future of journalism.

Of course, I barely think of myself as a journalist -- pseudo-journalist and entertainer seem like better fits -- but I've carved my own corner of the media world the hard way, so I was glad to share some of what I've learned.

Josh introduced this interview in this post. The rest of the interview is posted below, with links to the blog, which has transcripts (that embarrassingly include every "like" I uttered).

Part one: "Anything I can do to make a more profound connection with my audience is my job."

Part 2: "On the future of radio and the benefits of being small."

Part 3: "On gathering your online audience in the real world."

Gideon Yago, Journalist and Host of The IFC Media Project Interviewed on The Sound of Young America

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Gideon Yago is a Peabody and Emmy award-winning journalist. Until last year, he was an anchor and documentarian for MTV News. While there, he interviewed some of the most important people in the world, like George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Bill Gates, as well as young people, both remarkable and ordinary, around the globe. Now, he's hosting a new series, The IFC Media Project, which aims to help viewers critically engage the newsmedia.

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